# Five Milton Academy Students Sacked For "Sex" With 15-Year Old **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 25, 2005, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864 "2005-02-25T13:51:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/21 "2005-02-25T20:00:08Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I think this is blatantly unfair…didn’t no less a moral authority as the President of the USA proclaim that a BJ was “not sex”? Maybe the school administrators were Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/22 "2005-02-25T20:04:56Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > What, exactly, are the facts of the case? According to the Boston Globe article, the school’s investigation found that the five boys “requested and received oral sex” from the girl, and a school spokeswoman said “’'No school likes to think it’s at the end of its options, [but] the boys should have understood that a five-to-one situation is by definition pressurized and coercive, and you can’t assume there’s anything mutual about it” > > Now perhaps the boys didn’t literally form a circle with the girl in the middle, but the situation is inherently intimidating and coercive whether they literally surrounded her, were standing in a group that included her as part of a rough circle, or were standing next to each other and facing her. > The intimidation and coercion comes from the five-on-one situation, not from the precise placement of the bodies. When a five-on-one situation is planned ( and I’m not saying this one was ) the whole point of outnumbering is to eliminate choice on the part of the one. From everything that i’ve heard of the case, she accomplished her tasks on a one-on-one basis. The five to one situation that the school talks about is the fact that she did it five times in a row. There was no circle, there was no group. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/23 "2005-02-25T20:16:32Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > From everything that i’ve heard of the case, she accomplished her tasks on a one-on-one basis. The five to one situation that the school talks about is the fact that she did it five times in a row. There was no circle, there was no group. I’m sure she did perform one at a time. But I’ve seen nothing to suggest that all five were not present in the locker room at the same time, and the spokeswoman’s statement suggests that they were all present at some point during the incident. It wouldn’t be a five to one situation if all five were _never_ present at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Monocracy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monocracy/32/4493_2.png) [@Monocracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monocracy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/24 "2005-02-25T20:24:52Z")
The Globe is vague about whether all five were present at once, but from reports i’ve heard earlier this week, mainly through radio, it wasn’t so. But it seems the details haven’t really been released, so everything is pretty much speculation. The thing that i don’t understand is how the girl is 15 years old and a sophomore, and the boys are 3 sophomores and two juniors and they range in ages from 16 to 18. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/25 "2005-02-25T20:40:11Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > The Globe is vague about whether all five were present at once, but from reports i’ve heard earlier this week, mainly through radio, it wasn’t so. But it seems the details haven’t really been released, so everything is pretty much speculation. > > The thing that i don’t understand is how the girl is 15 years old and a sophomore, and the boys are 3 sophomores and two juniors and they range in ages from 16 to 18. 18 year-old juniors? [must…resist…hockey player…joke…] Well, yes, that is rather odd. ---
**Author:** ![doreen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/858c86/32.png) [@doreen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doreen)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/26 "2005-02-25T21:18:25Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > 18 year-old juniors? > > [must…resist…hockey player…joke…] > > Well, yes, that is rather odd. Not really. My 17 year old niece is a junior ( birthday is in Feb), so he might only be a year behind. Now about the 15 year old girl being a sophomore, while the boys were spohomores and juniors ranging from 16-18- probably mostly has to do with birthdays and school cut-off dates. When my kids started school they had to be 4 by 12/31 to start pre-k, five by 12/31 to start kindergarten. So late in the year birthdays started pre-k at 3, and early in the year birthdays turned 5 before it was over. But there was some play right around the cut-off dates- a kid who turned 5 in late December could have been placed in either pre-k or K, and one who turned 4 on 1/1 might be allowed the start the Sept before. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/27 "2005-02-25T22:31:15Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > And? Isn’t the AoC in Massachusetts 18? Looks like a case of mutual rape to me. > > Maybe, but so what? So, maybe it was a lot more like rape than you think. And it’s **consensual** not **consentual.** Spelling Nazi mode off. ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/28 "2005-02-25T22:51:17Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > The Globe is vague about whether all five were present at once, but from reports i’ve heard earlier this week, mainly through radio, it wasn’t so. … What reports did you hear? Who from? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/29 "2005-02-25T23:18:20Z")
> [@Evil Captor](#): > > So, maybe it was a lot more like rape than you think. Statutory rape, sure. Just like I already stated above. Forcible rape? Still looks vague to me. > [@](#): > > And it’s **consensual** not **consentual.** Whye r u teling me thatt? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2005, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/30 "2005-02-25T23:56:59Z")
> [@Monocracy](#): > > The Globe is vague about whether all five were present at once, but from reports i’ve heard earlier this week, mainly through radio, it wasn’t so. But it seems the details haven’t really been released, so everything is pretty much speculation. Vague? According to [this article](http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/02/24/milton_academy_student_retains_lawyer/): > [@](#): > > The incident occurred after dinner and before study hall, when the boys headed to the private academy’s athletic center, and used a passcode to enter the locker room. The girl joined them and fulfilled a request to perform oral sex on the boys, one by one, in a shower area, the letter said. I don’t know about you, but to me the wording strongly suggests that all six people were in the locker room at the same time. And from [this article](http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/02/23/academy_details_sex_case_to_parents/): > [@](#): > > The episode lasted about 15 minutes, according to the letter, signed by Milton Academy’s head of school, Robin Robertson. After dinner and before study hall on Jan. 24, the players, ages 16 to 18, headed to the private academy’s athletic center, where they used a passcode to enter a boys’ locker room reserved for team use during practices and games. > > The girl joined them and subsequently fulfilled a request that she perform oral sex on the boys, one by one, in a shower area, the letter says. Toward the end, two male students who were not involved happened to walk into the shower area from an adjoining locker room. The first six students dispersed. I can think of no way to parse these paragraphs that would suggest that all five guys weren’t in the room at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![rfgdxm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c0e974/32.png) [@rfgdxm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rfgdxm)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/31 "2005-02-26T00:12:44Z")
> [@doreen](#): > > Not really. My 17 year old niece is a junior ( birthday is in Feb), so he might only be a year behind. > > Now about the 15 year old girl being a sophomore, while the boys were spohomores and juniors ranging from 16-18- probably mostly has to do with birthdays and school cut-off dates. When my kids started school they had to be 4 by 12/31 to start pre-k, five by 12/31 to start kindergarten. So late in the year birthdays started pre-k at 3, and early in the year birthdays turned 5 before it was over. But there was some play right around the cut-off dates- a kid who turned 5 in late December could have been placed in either pre-k or K, and one who turned 4 on 1/1 might be allowed the start the Sept before. There’s also the possibility that due to physical health problems around the time a kid would normally enter kindergarten the doctor recommends that they wait an extra year until their health improves. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/32 "2005-02-26T04:54:29Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > The parents that pony up the money for a school of that quality do so because they want to insulate their kids from such behaviours. More fools they! 😃 Seriously. Teenagers are going to have **some** kind of sexual outlet, and only an idiot would expect otherwise. Perhaps we should encourage the safest option – masturbation – but we know what happened to SG Elders when she tried to break ground there. So why should we be surprised, or disapproving, when they find other ways? ---
**Author:** ![uglybeech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/82dd89/32.png) [@uglybeech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/uglybeech)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/33 "2005-02-26T05:43:57Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Teenagers are going to have **some** kind of sexual outlet, and only an idiot would expect otherwise. Perhaps we should encourage the safest option – masturbation – but we know what happened to SG Elders when she tried to break ground there. So why should we be surprised, or disapproving, when they find other ways? On planet Earth parents typically try to keep their 15 year old daughters away from environments where they’ll be asked to give gang blow jobs to a half dozen hockey players in a locker room. And as inexplicable as it may sound, they’re even less likely to cough up $25K a year for that privilege. Anyway good call all around by Milton. The whole sleaze-fest makes the place look like Tailhook for tots. Ugh. I feel sorry for the administrators. Can’t think of a thing to criticize. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/34 "2005-02-26T07:45:17Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > I think this is blatantly unfair…didn’t no less a moral authority as the President of the USA proclaim that a BJ was “not sex”? This horse is beyond dead, **ralph**. Where it lies, flowers are blooming. > [@](#): > > Plus, kids today are bombarded with sexual advertsing…afteryou’ve seen Britney Spears gyrating around in a thong, and shopped in A & F for jeans, you’ve pretty much seen everything. What bearing does this have on the case? “There’s sex on TV, so kids aren’t responsible for their actions?” Please. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/35 "2005-02-26T19:14:02Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Statutory rape, sure. Just like I already stated above. Forcible rape? Still looks vague to me. That’s why I qualfied it with “maybe.” Anytime you’ve got a 5/1 disparity and all the male participants are older than the female participant, it’s very reasonable to wonder if things are as consensual as they are painted. Doesn’t mean they’re NOT consensual, but with that kind of situation, I would not be likely to take anyone on their word. > [@](#): > > Whye r u teling me thatt? My mistake. It was more of a general complaint than anything directed at you. If you are going to post on a thread about rape or suspected rape, you should know how to spell “consensual” as it’s a key concept. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/36 "2005-02-26T19:17:26Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > Plus, kids today are bombarded with sexual advertsing…afteryou’ve seen Britney Spears gyrating around in a thong, and shopped in A & F for jeans, you’ve pretty much seen everything. I think if you think that’s “everything” you need to take the filters off your computer and do some looking around. Also, where can I see Britnehy Spears gyrating around in a thong (and presumably, very little else)? She’s GREAT at gyrating around, I’d LOVE to see that. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/37 "2005-02-26T19:39:17Z")
While I don’t buy the “kids have seen everything” or “Clinton said it was OK” arguments, I agree with the OP that this was no big deal. Teenagers engaging in oral sex… yawn. There might be cause for alarm if there were _evidence_ that it was nonconsensual, but in the cited articles, there isn’t even a _claim_ that anyone was coerced, other than this: > [@](#): > > The school notified police, expelled the hockey players and put the girl on leave Friday, saying the 5-to-1 ratio represented coercion, whether implicit or explicit. Uh huh. If that’s coercion, then so is every strip club or bachelor party where the ratio of men to women is 5:1 or higher. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/38 "2005-02-26T19:51:30Z")
> [@Mr2001](#): > > While I don’t buy the “kids have seen everything” or “Clinton said it was OK” arguments, I agree with the OP that this was no big deal. Teenagers engaging in oral sex… yawn. There might be cause for alarm if there were _evidence_ that it was nonconsensual, but in the cited articles, there isn’t even a _claim_ that anyone was coerced, other than this: > Uh huh. If that’s coercion, then so is every strip club or bachelor party where the ratio of men to women is 5:1 or higher. Excepot, of course, that in a strip club or a bachelor party, the woman in question is generally over the age of consent. ---
**Author:** ![Ms2001](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ms2001/32/18463_2.png) [@Ms2001](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms2001)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/39 "2005-02-26T20:01:22Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Excepot, of course, that in a strip club or a bachelor party, the woman in question is generally over the age of consent. Which, of course, affects the legality, but not the morality or “big deal” factor. ---
**Author:** ![NinjaChick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/71c47a/32.png) [@NinjaChick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinjaChick)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2005, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864/40 "2005-02-26T20:04:38Z")
A couple of teenagers performed sexual acts. Oh my goodness! What is the world coming to? Kids these days, honestly! [/idiotic overreaction] The school administration is full of crap here. My sophomore year of high school a three-way got broken up in a boy’s bathroom (possibly the least appealing environment _ever_, btw). Those involved were punished equally, and it was written off as “Teens tend to be both horny and not overly mature”. Expulsion, in this case, is utterly ridiculous. According to the school’s website, the tuition (for _high school_!!!) is $25,675 per year for ‘day students’. Somehow, that makes me less surprised that this is even an issue…) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/five-milton-academy-students-sacked-for-sex-with-15-year-old/291864.md?page=3)