RBC is comin back after the commercial. Time to make your hypothetical $1000 bet on their decision(s).
Are you watching CNN? I just saw Wold Blitzer [of all people] doing the math with one of their political advisors, and even with moving a lot of the numbers Clinton’s way she still cannot do it. Meaning if she were to somehow take this to the convention she’d be trashing quite a bit to get there. I’m going to give HRC the benefit of the doubt and say she won’t do that. She’ll drop out before.
No, MSNBC. As loud and spluttery as he is, he’s easier to listen tothan Blitzer. But I liked Blitzer’s logic that you conveyed.
I’ll make that my play money $1000 bet.
Everyway I look at it I just can’t see how Clinton can take the nod.
I’ll be my $1000 they do a relative 50/50 split with a slight tilt towards Clinton.
Let me guess, given the way things go with the democrats…
The results will be one that is unanticipated, and somehow worse than all other previously anticipated options. It will, as every “do or die” point in this election, do exactly what it needs to do to keep things ambiguous.
I hope I’m wrong, but I just have no faith in the democrats at all. I’m sure it will somehow leave things ambiguous. Seriously, I think that Obama should have just said, “Okay, fine… seat the pledged delegates completely and don’t seat super-delegates” It’d minimize his damages, make him look magnanimous, stifle any questions of whether it was “democratic”, and punish the people responsible for this mess.
But that’s not happening…
Merk Obama doesn’t have the power to make that happen. His campaign’s stance is very fair. It’s Clinton who wants all the votes to go in her favor, screw Obama in MI he wasnt on the ballot, and give Clinton her share in Florida - who cares who didn’t come out to vote, not her problem.
The wording coming out from her campaign makes it seem as if she is giving voice to everyone. But she isn’t she’s giving voice to her interests, not Obama. And until he clearly wins she will continue to slant just about anything to her favor.
One thing that is interesting, and I do not have a cite for it - apparently Clinton said this will continue until next week, and that’s it.
In my opinion, the only option that has any ethical validity is to not seat any delegates from FL and MI, period.
In other words, abide by the rules agreed to by all the contenders before the primary season started.
Anything else is pandering bullshit.
The problem with that, Knorf, is that it’s a sure way to lose Michigan and Florida in November.
That’s why I’m torn on this. As I much as I want to see respect for the rules and the political process, avoid a possible flurry of leapfrogging since there’d seem to be no real penalty, and stop the implementation of the candidate “whine rule,” I want the Dems to take back the White House in November more.
I don’t buy it. Do you think the voters are going to say “Gee, I hate the war, I want UHC, but doggone it the politicians in my state missed out on a trip to Denver. Guess I can’t vote.”?
I worried, in a close election, enough might.
What makes you think this election is going to be close? I’m thinking with the dramatic increase in dem voter registrations this year, we are going to see a very big turn out in November. Possibly even to the tune of "McCain doesn’t have a chance against Obama". The GOP has been dreading running against Obama since January, I’m not sure much has changed.
I guarantee you the Republicans are going to make hay out of the mess DNC has made, and McCain is going to mention at every stop in Michigan and Florida that Dems don’t care about them.
Thing is, there is a time dilation effect in politics, its very much about the immediate. The election being months away, there is ample time for several complete reversals of fortune.
Just look at McCain himself, it wasn’t that long ago his campaign staff was staying at Motel 6, and Rudy! was hot. Then it was Old Fred, and then maybe, just maybe, it was Mitt. But John was dead as a doornail, and everybody agreed, and then, son of a gun, he’s the nominee.
Any certainty about the November elections are sheer fantasy - save one. And that is, if Iraq goes totally tits up, McCain is deader than dead, he’s married to that issue and has zero wiggle room. He had opportunity to make some space there, and resolutely refused them.
However much we may dislike it, and Lord knows I do, the next Presidential election is in the hands of men named Maliki, al Sadr, and Sistani, at least insofar as they can totally rat fuck McCains campaign.
Perhaps I don’t know McCain as I should. Is he a ruthless, asshole bent on destroying all dems? I know he wants to win but how far will he allow himself to stoop to win?
Here’s what puzzles me: I listened to Carl Levin’s speech (very impressive), and he recapped the series of events. Apparently the DNC went to considerable trouble to insert at least one caucus (Nevada) between Iowa and New Hampshire, based on the concept that two states, not particularly representative of the nation as a whole, should really not have this much influence on the nomination race year after year. The New Hampshire SecState got his panties in a bunch and decided to move the NH primary up two weeks, so that it would remain second. They, like quite a few states who were turned down, applied for a waiver in order to move their primary, and the Rules Committee granted it.
Why? Why after going to the trouble of preventing Iowa and New Hampshire from having such a disproportionate influence on the primary season would the Rules Committee turn around and effectively say “Never mind?” According to Levin, this single ruling is what caused MI to move their primary up, feeling that if the rules didn’t apply to NH, they also shouldn’t apply to MI either.
Does anyone know what the rationale was for Rules Committee to grant the NH waiver?
And why exactly are we in this position now? Why do we have to make concessions to Florida and Michigan to not piss them off? Because someone thought it would be a good idea to go around stirring up shit. Hillary has spent months unloading all of this bullshit that she’s suddenly seen the light with regards to Michigan and Florida. What a load of horseshit. Her validation of this non-sense has essentially brought us to where we are.
She has been a political terrorist. Make me happy, or I’m going to ruin our chances in two very important states. Oh yeah? Watch Me! I’m taking my ball and going home.
It appears now that we’re going to have the Michigan compromise hammered out to the way Michigan wanted. The last thing for Hillary to do is go to the convention. I wouldn’t put it past her. It’s starting now…
Do you honestly think we’d be having this problem had Hillary not taken it upon herself? Of course not. Nobody would be motivated, nothing would be happening. It would all blow by and we’d not have to worry about it.
I generally vote Democrat and will probably continue to do so, but the dysfunction of a group that argues about how best to not follow their own rules seriously troubles me.
The Committee just voted to seat all FL delegates (pledged and unpledged), each counting 50% of a vote.
I really enjoyed that lady lecturing that heckler on compromise. It was really moving.