# Fla. Rep. Bob Allen (R): Oh, I'm not gay, I'm a racist asshole. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2007, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715 "2007-08-07T05:13:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/21 "2007-08-07T14:08:23Z")
[QUOTE=DoctorJ] (Who the hell pays to _give_ a blowjob? I can’t say I know much about anonymous gay hookups, but I always imagined that a guy looking to give head wouldn’t have much trouble finding opportunities to do so for free.) [/QUOTE] It’s my understanding (from various media, not personal experience) that straight men looking for gay sex usually want to give, not receive. I’m not sure why, but I’m guessing that they want to experience someone else’s penis, a unique thing for them. Getting a blowjob from a stranger, while possibly exciting (one would hope), doesn’t feel much different than what you would get from your wife. (I’ll pause while you finish laughing.) Remember Boogie Nights, when Dirk was paid to jerk off for a guy? ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/22 "2007-08-07T14:17:45Z")
[QUOTE=matt\_mcl] This is pretty standard. A lot of gay guys really like to give head, and if you’re not exactly an A-lister and you really like to suck off hot young studs, you may find the easiest way to go about it is to pay them for it. [/QUOTE] Just to be clear: I could (theoretically, of course) get a line of guys who would all pay me to get me off? I mean, hell- If all that is separating me and millionaire status is the receiving end of a few dirty bathroom blowjobs… (I assume I get to use condoms?) ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/23 "2007-08-07T14:28:34Z")
Thanks to everyone for the info. Consider my ignorance fought. > [@](#): > > Just to be clear: I could (theoretically, of course) get a line of guys who would all pay me to get me off? I mean, hell- If all that is separating me and millionaire status is the receiving end of a few dirty bathroom blowjobs… At $20 per, it’ll take 50,000 of them. Better get started. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/24 "2007-08-07T14:40:15Z")
[QUOTE=DoctorJ] You look over into a closed bathroom stall and see a “pretty stocky black guy”. [/QUOTE] IMO, Rep. Allen outed himself pretty obviously when he referred to the stocky black guy as “pretty.” That just isn’t something a straight man would say. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/25 "2007-08-07T15:06:08Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] IMO, Rep. Allen outed himself pretty obviously when he referred to the stocky black guy as “pretty.” That just isn’t something a straight man would say. [/QUOTE] Er, assuming I’m not being whooshed here, “pretty” is modifying “stocky”, not “guy.” ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/26 "2007-08-07T15:11:08Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Er, assuming I’m not being whooshed here, “pretty” is modifying “stocky”, not “guy.” [/QUOTE] Come on, dude. 😛😉 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/27 "2007-08-07T16:53:21Z")
Big black man: Grrrr. Allen: Say, you know what perks me right up? Some nice oral sex. And a twenty! ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/28 "2007-08-07T16:57:28Z")
[QUOTE=Mosier] The worst part about it is that this wont open anyone’s eyes. [/QUOTE] Except, perhaps, the brown kind. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/29 "2007-08-07T16:58:57Z")
[QUOTE=I’m Ron Burgundy?] Solicitation and sex in public are suddenly not even bad? [/QUOTE] :dubious: When were they ever? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/30 "2007-08-07T17:19:15Z")
[QUOTE=Nametag] The story doesn’t say that Allen denied cruising for gay sex, by the way, and his story (and the officer’s own report) spell out an excellent “entrapment” defence against charges against soliciting prostitution, which is the only illegal act I can see here. [/QUOTE] I don’t think that anyone in this thread particularly cares about the legality or necessarily even thinks there is anything morally wrong _per se_ about a dude offering another dude money for sex. What makes the story interesting is the fact a Republican politician feels it’s less politically damaging for his constutuents to see him as racist than as gay. ---
**Author:** ![Baldwin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baldwin/32/7264_2.png) [@Baldwin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baldwin)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/31 "2007-08-07T17:47:18Z")
If Rep. Allen was later asked to describe the officer, and he said, “Seven inches, uncut”, would that help or hurt his case? These stories always seem so sad to me. There are few things more anti-erotic than a public restroom. I assume the gay bathhouses back in the day were at least nicely-decorated. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/32 "2007-08-07T18:06:47Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] What makes the story interesting is the fact a Republican politician feels it’s less politically damaging for his constutuents to see him as racist than as gay. [/QUOTE] Hmmmm… I either get painted as having a thing against black men, or I hear about how a black man painted me with his thing. Decisions, decisions. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/33 "2007-08-07T18:10:01Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I don’t think that anyone in this thread particularly cares about the legality or necessarily even thinks there is anything morally wrong _per se_ about a dude offering another dude money for sex. What makes the story interesting is the fact a Republican politician feels it’s less politically damaging for his constutuents to see him as racist than as gay. [/QUOTE] Are you sure a Republican politician would even think his statements were racist? I think he probably actually thinks it’s a non-offensive explanation. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/34 "2007-08-07T18:28:46Z")
Notice he’s not saying he offered the dude $20 just to out of there safely and avoid becoming a “statistic”. He’s saying he offered the dude $20 **and a blowjob** just to get out of there safely. This is not a well-thought-out denial. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/35 "2007-08-07T18:35:31Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Notice he’s not saying he offered the dude $20 just to out of there safely and avoid becoming a “statistic”. He’s saying he offered the dude $20 **and a blowjob** just to get out of there safely. This is not a well-thought-out denial. [/QUOTE] Not to mention he didn’t avoid becoming a statistic. He’s part of the growing number of nominally gay-unfriendly Republicans who have been getting caught with dicks in their mouths recently, a very significant statistic indeed. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/36 "2007-08-07T18:41:14Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] Are you sure a Republican politician would even think his statements were racist? I think he probably actually thinks it’s a non-offensive explanation. [/QUOTE] That’s what I’m thinking. The only people who would see racism in his explanation are people who have a problem with prejudging black guys as bad and scary. Perhaps he thinks his constituents will see nothing problematic about this defense. Things I don’t understand: Why would anyone in their right mind go looking for penis to suck in a freakin’ _park restroom_? I’m thinking that there has to be at least eleventy hundred more cleaner places than a park restroom to go frolicking in. Seriously?! I don’t get why the cop would be inside a stall, drying his hands. Who in the hell pokes their head over a stall to look at people in a freaking park restroom? I could imagine someone getting shot for less. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/37 "2007-08-07T18:48:37Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] Why would anyone in their right mind go looking for penis to suck in a freakin’ _park restroom_? I’m thinking that there has to be at least eleventy hundred more cleaner places than a park restroom to go frolicking in. Seriously?! I don’t get why the cop would be inside a stall, drying his hands. Who in the hell pokes their head over a stall to look at people in a freaking park restroom? I could imagine someone getting shot for less. [/QUOTE] Maybe it’s a park, and park resroom specifically, known for gays trolling. That’s far from uncommon (not talking about parks specifically, but otherwise innocuous seeming places). ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/38 "2007-08-07T18:54:48Z")
I have always thought that the guys trolling rest stops were guys who mainly try to live there life as straight people. I mean people who are fine with their homosexuality probably know better places to get laid than rest areas or park bathrooms. ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/39 "2007-08-07T18:55:55Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] I don’t get why the cop would be inside a stall, drying his hands. [/quote] Because he was looking to bust johns, probably. Which also answers your next question . . . > [@you with the face](#): > > Who in the hell pokes their head over a stall to look at people in a freaking park restroom? Someone cruising for sex in a park, probably at a location known for such, which is why the cop was there. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2007, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/40 "2007-08-07T19:14:46Z")
> [@Nametag](#): > > The story doesn’t say that Allen denied cruising for gay sex, by the way, and his story (and the officer’s own report) spell out an excellent “entrapment” defence against charges against soliciting prostitution, which is the only illegal act I can see here. Really? Where, precisely, do you see entrapment? Entrapment exists when the government induces or encourages a person not already predisposed to do so to commit a crime. When the government’s “…first and chief endeavor was to cause, to create, crime in order to punish it, and it is unconscionable, contrary to public policy, and to the established law of the land to punish a man for the commission of an offense of the like of which he had never been guilty, either in thought or in deed, and evidently never would have been guilty of if the officers of the law had not inspired, incited, persuaded, and lured him to attempt to commit it.” (Sorrells v. US, quoting Butts v. US). It’s true that the officer mentioned money first. But this was after the accused stepped into the toilet stall occupied by the officer. At that point, we can safely say he was predisposed to commit the crime. On these facts, an entrapment defense would simply not fly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715.md?page=3)