# Fla. Rep. Bob Allen (R): Oh, I'm not gay, I'm a racist asshole. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2007, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715 "2007-08-07T05:13:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/61 "2007-08-08T03:32:11Z")
What’s the line on how long until the alcohol rehab announcement? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/62 "2007-08-08T03:34:45Z")
[QUOTE=Vinyl Turnip] Even the die-hard faithful are probably going to have trouble swallowing his story without gagging, though. [/QUOTE] Perhaps if you offer them a $20? ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/63 "2007-08-08T03:42:31Z")
Well, I guess **Hajario** ’s post blows my theory. The cop wasn’t looking to bust johns, he was just minding his own business when Allen walked into his stall. Is this what life is like for Stocky Black Guys? They can’t walk into a public bathroom stall for ten seconds without getting propositioned by closeted gays begging to give blow jobs :eek: ? ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/64 "2007-08-08T03:43:01Z")
> [@](#): > > Family values conservative caught giving money to a black man so he can suck his dick in a public restroom. Actually he wanted to take him to a less public area of the park to suck his dick. Because when you’re worried that a large black man is going to assault you, you want to make sure to lead him to a place where no one can see you. _The Daily Show_ had a field day with this, including John Oliver’s list of better excuses Allen could have come up with: “I’m bullemic, and I hate sticking my finger down my throat.” ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/65 "2007-08-08T04:10:34Z")
Great coverage on the Daily Show. Jon clearly thinks this story is HILARIOUS. ---
**Author:** ![Nametag](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nametag/32/406_2.png) [@Nametag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nametag)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/66 "2007-08-08T04:12:12Z")
[QUOTE=Bricker] Really? Where, precisely, do you see entrapment? Entrapment exists when the government induces or encourages a person not already predisposed to do so to commit a crime. When the government’s “…first and chief endeavor was to cause, to create, crime in order to punish it, and it is unconscionable, contrary to public policy, and to the established law of the land to punish a man for the commission of an offense of the like of which he had never been guilty, either in thought or in deed, and evidently never would have been guilty of if the officers of the law had not inspired, incited, persuaded, and lured him to attempt to commit it.” (Sorrells v. US, quoting Butts v. US). It’s true that the officer mentioned money first. But this was after the accused stepped into the toilet stall occupied by the officer. At that point, we can safely say he was predisposed to commit the crime. On these facts, an entrapment defense would simply not fly. [/QUOTE] The case as I see it: 1. Allen goes into park restroom to solicit sex. Not a crime, as long as he doesn’t have sex there, and Allen specifically states that the restroom is too public. Whether the “bridge” mentioned is a footbridge in the park, which would leave him open to public lewdness charges, or a real bridge leading out of the neighborhood, which wouldn’t, is not yet clear. 2. Allen approaches a big black guy for sex. Big black guy demands $20. Allen’s story, at this point, is that he was scared. Scared enough to pay $20 for was, until then, a hookup? Were I his lawyer, that’s what I’d be thinking. 3. BBG cop then tries to get Allen to specify what the $20 is for; Allen demurrs. Cop specifies oral sex, Allen says he’ll do him. They walk away, and Allen is arrested. At no point do I see that Allen would have offered money without prompting, and his story seems to be laying groundwork for entrapment via coercion. Soliciting sex is not the same as soliciting prostitution. None of this gets Allen clear of public gayness, but maybe he’s still thinking he can game that. And yeah, that probably will hurt him more than being a racist asshole. Sad, but true. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/67 "2007-08-08T04:17:50Z")
[QUOTE=DoctorJ] _The Daily Show_ had a field day with this, including John Oliver’s list of better excuses Allen could have come up with: “I’m bullemic, and I hate sticking my finger down my throat.” [/QUOTE] I near fell off the couch on that one. Was this show a record for the number of uses of penis in one program? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/68 "2007-08-08T05:40:15Z")
The pure of heart will not laugh at this for they will not understand it, but to those informed of sordid practices it may resonate mirthfully: On Allen’s Florida House [homepage](http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Representatives/details.aspx?MemberId=4204) there’s only one thing mentioned by _Recreational Interests:_: _Water Sports_ To quote Capote, “Sometime there’s God”. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/69 "2007-08-08T12:43:50Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Notice he’s not saying he offered the dude $20 just to out of there safely and avoid becoming a “statistic”. He’s saying he offered the dude $20 **and a blowjob** just to get out of there safely. [/QUOTE] Maybe they haggled. Maybe the Big Scary Negro originally wanted $50 and to buttfuck him, and he talked him down to a blowjob and $20. Politicians - expert negotiators\*. -Joe \*Proud I didn’t use “crack” negotiators ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/70 "2007-08-08T12:52:04Z")
On the same theme, apparently the president of the Young Republicans is being investigated for “criminal deviate conduct”: > [@](#): > > "The chairman of the Clark County Republican Party, who last month was elected president of the Young Republican National Federation, has resigned both posts, apparently in the wake of a criminal investigation. […] > > "However, on Friday the Clark County Sheriff’s Department began investigating Murphy for alleged criminal deviate conduct — potentially a class B felony — after speaking with a 22-year-old man who claims that on July 31, Murphy performed an unwanted sex act on him while the man slept in a relative’s Jeffersonville home. Maybe he should have woken him up and offered him $20 first. [http://www.takingdownwords.com/taking\_down\_words/2007/08/in-the-mainstre.html](http://www.takingdownwords.com/taking_down_words/2007/08/in-the-mainstre.html) [ETA: Sorry, I see that **Squink** caught this one before I did and linked to it upthread. I’ll leave it for the quoted text.] ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/71 "2007-08-08T12:59:02Z")
[Obligatory Onion Story](http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33540) -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/72 "2007-08-08T13:06:36Z")
Can we just assume that the “R” after an elected official’s name means “Closeted Gay”? ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/73 "2007-08-08T13:13:41Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] Can we just assume that the “R” after an elected official’s name means “Closeted Gay”? [/QUOTE] Well, at the very least, we can assume that the counterpart “D” stands for “discretion.” 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/74 "2007-08-08T13:39:29Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] Can we just assume that the “R” after an elected official’s name means “Closeted Gay”? [/QUOTE] Well, let’s give it a try. Dick Cheney (R/closeted gay) _—shudder—_ No, please let’s **not** assume that. ---
**Author:** ![villa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/bc79bd/32.png) [@villa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/villa)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/75 "2007-08-08T14:31:23Z")
[QUOTE=Nametag] At no point do I see that Allen would have offered money without prompting, and his story seems to be laying groundwork for entrapment via coercion. Soliciting sex is not the same as soliciting prostitution. [/QUOTE] Except, if I remember correctly, entrapment needs a lot more than not offering money without prompting. An undercover cop can offer you drugs, and you are still liable for the offense if you say yes, whether you asked for the drugs first or not. It is only if you keep saying know, and they keep following you around, telling you all the cool kids are doing it, and that no one will ever find out etc etc that you might stand a chance of an entrapment defense, and then only if you say no repeatedly. You can be predisposed to something without being willing to do it without prompting, I think… If you go to a known area for a particular activity there will be a presumption that you are predisposed to it. Then again, I could be totally misremembering entrapment law. ---
**Author:** ![Li\_l\_Pluck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ee59a6/32.png) [@Li\_l\_Pluck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Li_l_Pluck)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/76 "2007-08-08T19:18:22Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] Sorry, dude. One of the perqs of being gay. If you learn to love the cock, there’s a bj behind every rock… [/QUOTE] Oh, REALLY?! Not IME, dammit! Here, sir, are the remnants of my membership card, and I now respectfully request a full and speedy refund of my membership dues. ☹😉 ---
**Author:** ![plnnr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@plnnr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/plnnr)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/77 "2007-08-08T20:08:53Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] The pure of heart will not laugh at this for they will not understand it, but to those informed of sordid practices it may resonate mirthfully: On Allen’s Florida House [homepage](http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Representatives/details.aspx?MemberId=4204) there’s only one thing mentioned by _Recreational Interests:_: _Water Sports_ To quote Capote, “Sometime there’s God”. [/QUOTE] So the bridge in question must have been over the Yellow River. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2007, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/78 "2007-08-08T20:33:06Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Well, let’s give it a try. Dick Cheney (R/closeted gay) [/QUOTE] No, but I’ve heard rumors that his daughter Mary is a closeted straight housewife secretly married to a plumber named Ron. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2007, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/79 "2007-08-09T16:52:16Z")
[Relevant cartoon.](http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=22442) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2007, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715/80 "2007-08-09T18:55:19Z")
[QUOTE=Nametag] The case as I see it: 1. Allen goes into park restroom to solicit sex. Not a crime, as long as he doesn’t have sex there, and Allen specifically states that the restroom is too public. Whether the “bridge” mentioned is a footbridge in the park, which would leave him open to public lewdness charges, or a real bridge leading out of the neighborhood, which wouldn’t, is not yet clear. 2. Allen approaches a big black guy for sex. Big black guy demands $20. Allen’s story, at this point, is that he was scared. Scared enough to pay $20 for was, until then, a hookup? Were I his lawyer, that’s what I’d be thinking. 3. BBG cop then tries to get Allen to specify what the $20 is for; Allen demurrs. Cop specifies oral sex, Allen says he’ll do him. They walk away, and Allen is arrested. At no point do I see that Allen would have offered money without prompting, and his story seems to be laying groundwork for entrapment via coercion. Soliciting sex is not the same as soliciting prostitution. [/quote] The problem is that he solicted the sex AFTER he was allegedly terrified by the officer’s intimidating Big Blackness. Your theory of the case does, I admit, raise a question of fact that should go to a jury, so I’ll temper my earlier “no way it will fly” comment to merely a note that I think it’s very unlikely to come back with a not guilty for entrapment. But the defense is viable as a matter of law. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fla-rep-bob-allen-r-oh-im-not-gay-im-a-racist-asshole/414715.md?page=5)