# Flag/pledge/anthem whiners **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 30, 2016, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475 "2016-08-30T12:57:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/101 "2016-08-30T19:23:56Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > A simple solution for the simple minded. Oh, so you’re of the mind that Trump’s wall is a simple thing to build. Good. Pass it on. Seriously, this isn’t a simple issue at all, regardless of what side you come out on. The world is shrinking and is more connected than ever. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/102 "2016-08-30T19:25:03Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Oh, yeah? Who’s going to build it if they deport all the illegal immigrants? And I suppose they’ll make Mexico pay for it too. That’s the Trump Jobs program. Free uniforms (white ones too!), carry a gun with you wherever you go, a military organization to belong to (so everyone is a vet!), manifest destiny, and on and on! ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/103 "2016-08-30T19:25:07Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > If the QB had said: “I can’t stand America, I don’t like anything about it, I’m not standing up when you play that song.” I might have invited him to look for another place to live. > Instead, he said “Cops in this country are killing Black people, and facing no consequences. I will stage this protest to shine a light on this issue.” > So at least the guy has a good reason. It does not bother me in the least. The knee jerk reaction by hyper/pretend patriots is what is odd about this. Right, because BLM isn’t doing enough, SOMEONE has to shine a light on this situation!!! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/104 "2016-08-30T19:26:19Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I see the opposite- entirely too much uniform-worship. We’re all supposed to flutter our eyelashes like Scarlett O’Hara and gasp "oooh, the _troops_ whenever we see a uniform. > > As far as the flags go, I think the banning was sound. They were to be used to taunt the opposing team with a high Hispanic makeup. This would be as if to say “we’re Americans and you aren’t, neener neener neener!” > > Lastly, Michael Savage as a Moron Third Class who may never get promoted to Second Class. He’s a racist pile of shit who whines about borders, language, and culture as if he’s discovered gravity. I’m still amazed by and still don’t quite believe this pinhead got a Ph.D. from Cal. So some freedom of expression is fit to be banned? That’s pretty intellectually consistent there. The Simone Biles of mental gymnastics. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/105 "2016-08-30T19:27:03Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > [ul] > [/ul] > > No. That’s not what I said and not my position. I respect someone’s right to not stand or even burn the flag. My position is that you shouldn’t have a problem with others waving the country’s flag. If you do, you’re a douchebag and you should find a place more to you’re liking. Waving the flag? Nah. Using it to insult and deride an opponent, based on their ethnicity? The flag was banned for ONE game, based on a history of using it to taunt this specific opponent. Zero problems with that. Be a fuckhead on your own, don’t drag my nation’s flag into your petty bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/106 "2016-08-30T19:27:37Z")
You know what we did to guys like that back in the old days? We put 'em in the Hall of Fame, that’s what. In 1972 autobiography, baseball legend Jackie Robinson reflected on [the first game of his first World Series](http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/08/29/jackie-robinson-i-cannot-stand-and-sing-the-anthem-i-cannot-salute-the-flag/): > [@](#): > > There I was, the black grandson of a slave, the son of a black sharecropper, part of a historic occasion, a symbolic hero to my people. The air was sparkling. The sunlight was warm. The band struck up the national anthem. The flag billowed in the wind. It should have been a glorious moment for me as the stirring words of the national anthem poured from the stands. Perhaps, it was, but then again, perhaps, the anthem could be called the theme song for a drama called The Noble Experiment. Today, as I look back on that opening game of my first world series, I must tell you that it was Mr. Rickey’s drama and that I was only a principal actor. \*\*As I write this twenty years later, I cannot stand and sing the anthem. I cannot salute the flag; I know that I am a black man in a white world. \*\*In 1972, in 1947, at my birth in 1919, I know that I never had it made. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/107 "2016-08-30T19:28:50Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > when are you progressives gonna accept that every country and societies minorities face discrimination? Its a lot worse in many countries outside America. > > That aside, fact is America gave ingrate Kaepernick a chance to be a sports star. How about them black footballers in Europe? The same Europe which colonized a continent, the same Europe where a non-white can’t go on the field without tons of racist chants being yelled? The same Europe where there are NGOs dedicated to fighting racism in sport, whereas in America, white America accepts that blacks dominate football and basketball, two of America’s most popular sports, do pretty damn well in baseball, also one of America’s popular sports, and made much bigger strides in traditionally “white sports” like gymnastics and swimming? > > Kaepernick just wants attention and knows he can get the SJWs up in arms to defend his unpatriotic ways and ingratitude. This is a joke right? Minorities should be grateful for the moderate levels of injustice we suffer here because minorities in other countries suffer worse? Should women shut up and feel lucky that we don’t let their husbands beat them with a stick that is thinner than his thumb? We’re America, we’re better than that. Everything about American exceptionalism is based on the fact that we at least try to be better than that. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/108 "2016-08-30T19:29:12Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > It was being used to taunt Hispanic students of another school, implying they’re all illegal. That’s not just “waving the flag”. Except for apologists like you. > You obviously agree the Hispanic students are somehow not citizens by your claim they should get out. No, citizen or not, if you are _taunted_ by the flag, then go find a place more to your liking. Now if they are illegal, then yes, they can leave ASAP. But here’s an idea, and a way to have the stunt backfire on the flag-waving students if it was really being done to taunt. Fly the American flag right back at them. That would have worked beautifully. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/109 "2016-08-30T19:33:19Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, so you’re of the mind that Trump’s wall is a simple thing to build. Good. Pass it on. > > Seriously, this isn’t a simple issue at all, regardless of what side you come out on. The world is shrinking and is more connected than ever. Yes, a wall is a simple thing to build. We’ve had lots of practice over the millenia. And yet, somehow, no matter how tall or thick the wall is, somehow, someone invariably manages to get through, over, under or around it. So perhaps, in a world that is more connected than it has ever been, we should not be looking to stone age solutions to solve modern age problems. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/110 "2016-08-30T19:34:16Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That’s hilarious. “Love the flag or get the fuck out.” You got to learn to read. It’s not love the flag or get the fuck out. It’s if the display of the flag triggers you perhaps you should find a safe space. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/111 "2016-08-30T19:37:35Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I’m firmly on the side of the wall. Given your long and well-established record of support for really fucking stupid things, this is hardly surprising. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/112 "2016-08-30T19:37:46Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > That’s the Trump Jobs program. Free uniforms (white ones too!), carry a gun with you wherever you go, a military organization to belong to (so everyone is a vet!), manifest destiny, and on and on! I’m not wearing white after labor day. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/113 "2016-08-30T19:39:14Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > No, citizen or not, if you are _taunted_ by the flag, then go find a place more to your liking… If being told you can’t be an asshole bothers you, find a place more to your liking. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/114 "2016-08-30T19:46:44Z")
As long as we’re telling everyone to GTFO; If you can’t stand to see someone exercise their right to free expression and their choice whether or not to participate in something, you’re UNAMERICAN and you should find a more fascist state to your liking. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/115 "2016-08-30T19:48:41Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Yes, a wall is a simple thing to build. We’ve had lots of practice over the millenia. And yet, somehow, no matter how tall or thick the wall is, somehow, someone invariably manages to get through, over, under or around it. > > So perhaps, in a world that is more connected than it has ever been, we should not be looking to stone age solutions to solve modern age problems. And if we were talking about just a physical structure I might agree with you. But we’re not. It will be a physical structure with the best of todays technology. But even the physical aspect of the wall make sit harder to get by. And given the state of our southern border, that’s a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/116 "2016-08-30T19:49:46Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You got to learn to read. It’s not love the flag or get the fuck out. It’s if the display of the flag triggers you perhaps you should find a safe space. Yup. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/117 "2016-08-30T19:49:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Do people still have the freedom to discuss such a non-salute, or must they be shouted down in the name of freedom? Absolutely. You have every right to express your opinion, no matter how dumb it is. Just like the player had the right to express his. First amendment, and all that. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/118 "2016-08-30T19:54:11Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > As long as we’re telling everyone to GTFO; > > If you can’t stand to see someone exercise their right to free expression and their choice whether or not to participate in something, you’re UNAMERICAN and you should find a more fascist state to your liking. Glad you agree. Those kids who were going to be “oh-so-taunted” at their rival school waving the stars and stripes really should look for someplace else not concerned by that little something called freedom of speech. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/119 "2016-08-30T19:55:32Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > If being told you can’t be an asshole bothers you, find a place more to your liking. So is it that waving the American flag that is problematic, or one team taunting other? Either way, get thee to a safe place apace! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475/120 "2016-08-30T20:05:09Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And if we were talking about just a physical structure I might agree with you. But we’re not. It will be a physical structure with the best of todays technology. But even the physical aspect of the wall make sit harder to get by. And given the state of our southern border, that’s a good thing. Well, Trump himself has already admitted to the one weakness of the proposed structure. So the best of today’s technology seems to be no match for, “maybe a rope”. Look. Give it up. Amusing as it would be to see a monument built to Trump’s (and company’s) stupidity, the cost of a few miles of a wall pays for a drone. If he (and you) didn’t have the mental capacity of a mollusk, we’d be discussing the merits of border patrols with actual “best of today’s technology”, not cement. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flag-pledge-anthem-whiners/764475.md?page=7)