# Flash: new TV show (boxed spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 9, 2014, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818 "2014-10-09T01:14:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2014, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/221 "2014-11-28T22:30:10Z")
Oh, and Ronnie Raymond is Firestorm. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/222 "2014-11-29T00:58:52Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > Oh, and Ronnie Raymond is Firestorm. For the comic squeamish: I thought they were going to do something with that. During the “previously on” portion they flashbacked to you-know-who dying in the particle accelerator explosion, but then nothing. C’mon, we know his energy particles are floating around there somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/223 "2014-11-29T02:03:23Z")
Why name-drop Ralph Dibny? Think we might see an Elongated Man in the future? The effects would be do-able ala ST:DS9’s Odo. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/224 "2014-12-02T15:48:24Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Why name-drop Ralph Dibny? Think we might see an Elongated Man in the future? The effects would be do-able ala ST:DS9’s Odo. I understood Dr. Wells to mean these people were all dead, so… no Ralphing on the Flash. ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/225 "2014-12-02T16:10:52Z")
Eh, it’s superheroes. Death is about on the same level as a bad hangover. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/226 "2014-12-02T17:44:44Z")
Personally, I’d take anything Dr. Wells says with a grain of salt. Have we seen any of these corpses? Ronnie Raymond, for one, is still inside the whatever-it-is. “Consider no man dead until after you have seen the body, and even then, it’s possible to make a mistake.” I think that’s from one of the **Dune** novels by Frank Herbert. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2014, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/227 "2014-12-02T20:54:57Z")
Heck, people thought that metal guy was dead (well, the coworkers that were nearby when he fell - I gather his “death” was not widely reported) and he came back, for a while. I can picture Will Everett popping up as some variant on the Amazing-Man character, which was basically a ripoff of Marvel’s Absorbing Man. Dead, schmead. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2014, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/228 "2014-12-03T03:48:01Z")
**S01E08** Fun episode. Super Hero crossover! All kinds of development. The Captain has a boyfriend and he isn’t a cliche and they didn’t make a big deal about it. That’s refreshing. Well, police captains are always diversity. Oh, well. Oliver: “My identity is a secret only known by a few (hundred) people.” ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2014, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/229 "2014-12-03T11:50:22Z")
I assume the girl at the end was the one he got pregnant in High School (we knew she would come back at some time) Brian ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2014, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/230 "2014-12-03T18:26:37Z")
Yes. Oliver’s mom paid her a lot of money to move \*far \*away. I guess when she heard mom died, it was time to move back. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2014, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/231 "2014-12-03T18:38:38Z")
So she moved to nearby Central City? Must not have been paid nearly enough. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/232 "2014-12-04T20:20:23Z")
Wasn’t that Ronnie (Firestorm) Raymond in the teaser at the end of the last episode? The guy with his head (and hands) on fire? ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/233 "2014-12-04T23:17:07Z")
Arrow said what we’ve all screamed at the TV at one time or another. He told Flash he’s got plenty of time to assess a given situation but opts to rush blindly into the fray instead. Flash scoffs at the need, given the “magic problem-solving ability” that his speed imparts, forgetting how many times relying on his speed alone has let him down. So, Arrow shows him, rather pointedly (heh), the error of putting all one’s eggs into one basket. That boy has a lot to learn, but I don’t think he’s going to become the tactician/strategist that Arrow is. Which is a good thing, since we don’t want the same person in 2 different shows. Hopefully, though, we’ll see the lesson sink in a little bit. As for Wells figuring out Arrow’s secret ID, did he get it from his future-computer room, or through detective work? If the latter, it points out that secret IDs stand up to scrutiny about as well as wet tissue paper, especially in this day and age of instant global information exchange and the proliferation of surveillance equipment as a normal part of a city’s infrastructure. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2014, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/234 "2014-12-04T23:48:41Z")
I thought it was amusing when Oliver, Barry, and Felicity are having coffee and Iris is gushing over Oliver. It wouldn’t be hard for Wells to access surveillance footage of Barry’s known hangouts. I could also see Iris telling her dad she got to meet the billionaire Oliver Queen, and Cop Dad figures it out, and or tells Wells. And yes, that’s definitely Firestorm at the end. Who knows what moniker Cisco will give him. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/235 "2014-12-05T00:27:48Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > The Captain has a boyfriend and he isn’t a cliche and they didn’t make a big deal about it. That’s refreshing. Just the latter part is fun and refreshing - he said it just like “…my girlfriend…” and no one so much as blinked. The line was 30 seconds past when I reached for the remote and Mrs. B. said, “WHAT did he say?” at the same moment. Just as with puns, such little bomblets have to be judged by the period of silence following them, before the reaction. Nice development overall, even if it was a bit rushed and phony in spots. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/236 "2014-12-05T01:47:17Z")
I don’t watch Arrow so I appreciate I was able to follow everything in both episodes well enough. I enjoyed the crossover. I also liked the Rocky-esque ending where we never see who wins. It’s funny how they have essentially made Arrow and the Flash stand ins for the philosophies of Batman and Superman. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/237 "2014-12-05T02:41:22Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > It’s funny how they have essentially made Arrow and the Flash stand ins for the philosophies of Batman and Superman. Yeah, it kind of bothers me. At least with Ollie. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/238 "2014-12-05T03:28:30Z")
I’m just hoping that they’ll introduce a nephew for Iris named Wallace. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/239 "2014-12-05T03:39:01Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > It’s funny how they have essentially made Arrow and the Flash stand ins for the philosophies of Batman and Superman. I think it’s great. They did in one, well two, episodes what they haven’t managed to do with a gazillion dollars worth of other movies and TV shows. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2014, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/240 "2014-12-05T14:58:09Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I think it’s great. They did in one, well two, episodes what they haven’t managed to do with a gazillion dollars worth of other movies and TV shows. I agree. I like it too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818.md?page=13)