# Flash: new TV show (boxed spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 9, 2014, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818 "2014-10-09T01:14:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/261 "2014-12-12T23:33:40Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > If they decide to borrow from the the comics, specifically The Flashpoint Paradox story line (the story line that birthed the New 52 reboot): > > The Flash… > > will have to let Reverse Flash kill his mother because the world in which she survives is much much worse. In much the same way the universe needs Batman more than it needs a happy and well adjusted Bruce Wayne. ---
**Author:** ![BrianJ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@BrianJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrianJ)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2014, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/262 "2014-12-12T23:46:21Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Interesting. She controls him by threatening his friends & loved ones. Why isn’t she still doing that? At some point he was able to tell her to bugger off. Was it because she considered his preparation for something to be complete? What was the something, or what will be the something? > > I also like the slightly different yellow suits observation. I didn’t catch that. I didn’t notice there were 2 suits? ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/263 "2014-12-15T13:29:54Z")
Okay, several witnesses heard the Reverse Flash confess to killing Ma Allen, including the police. Why did no one mention getting Pa Allen out o prison? ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/264 "2014-12-15T14:32:54Z")
…now there’s a good point. It’s probably even on there StarLabs video. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/265 "2014-12-15T14:33:29Z")
I had to laugh, a couple episodes ago, when Oliver said there were very few people who know his secret identity. Practically everybody he knows is in on the secret. I did a quick scan through the plots so far, and it looks like the only main, recurring character with a name and lines and everything who isn’t in on it is his sister, and Malcolm may told her and she’s just playing coy. I also like that Walls figured out who he was in about three seconds. “Hm, let’s see… Digg, Felicity & Oliver show up in CC. Then Dig, Felicity & the Arrow show up.” How the hell hard is that supposed to be to figure out? ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/266 "2014-12-15T14:48:16Z")
I was wondering… [Roy G. Biv](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_G._Biv)olo. Coincidence or canon? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/267 "2014-12-15T15:44:57Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I had to laugh, a couple episodes ago, when Oliver said there were very few people who know his secret identity. Practically everybody he knows is in on the secret. I did a quick scan through the plots so far, and it looks like the only main, recurring character with a name and lines and everything who isn’t in on it is his sister, and Malcolm may told her and she’s just playing coy. > > I also like that Walls figured out who he was in about three seconds. “Hm, let’s see… Digg, Felicity & Oliver show up in CC. Then Dig, Felicity & the Arrow show up.” How the hell hard is that supposed to be to figure out? I would have loved for thea to say - “Damnit Ollie - can’t you just use the door like normal people?” ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/268 "2014-12-15T18:32:49Z")
> [@BrianJ](#): > > I didn’t notice there were 2 suits? According to \*\*cymk \*\*in post 251. I haven’t had a chance to rewatch it yet. There is the suit Reverse Flash wears, and the slightly different suit Wells has and/or made. > [@epbrown01](#): > > Okay, several witnesses heard the Reverse Flash confess to killing Ma Allen, including the police. Why did no one mention getting Pa Allen out o prison? Well, didn’t he say “she had to die” or something? That’s not a clear confession, although it does show that something odd involving red & yellow blurs occurred, and it’s known now that Flash exists, so I could see them reopening Pa Allen’s case. It’s not just the imagination of a small boy anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/269 "2014-12-15T19:01:02Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > I was wondering… [Roy G. Biv](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_G._Biv)olo. Coincidence or canon? Doesn’t Cisco call that guy “Rainbow Raider” at one point, which your wiki link specifically mentions right at the top so… canon-ish, or at least what has become typical for this show; pick a Flash villain from the comics and gritty-reboot him. I’m waiting for The Top to show up as an S&M freak. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2014, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/270 "2014-12-16T02:19:06Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Mark Hamill to return as the Trickster! > [http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/television/television\_news/2014/12/mark\_hamill\_joins\_the\_flash\_as\_the\_trickster](http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/television/television_news/2014/12/mark_hamill_joins_the_flash_as_the_trickster) > > He played the role in the 1990s Flash series. Just heard this news today. Very cool! ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2014, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/271 "2014-12-17T04:14:56Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Doesn’t Cisco call that guy “Rainbow Raider” at one point, which your wiki link specifically mentions right at the top so… canon-ish, or at least what has become typical for this show; pick a Flash villain from the comics and gritty-reboot him. > > I’m waiting for The Top to show up as an S&M freak. Caitlin wanted to call him “Rainbow Raider”. Cisco, as Official Code Namer, dubbed him “Prism”. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2014, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/272 "2014-12-18T21:52:40Z")
Barry’s dad is Professor Zoom! or rather the actor voiced Professor Zoom in an episode of Batman The Brave & The Bold I watched on Netflix a couple nights ago. (yes, i know he played barry himself in the 1st Flash series) As for two yellow costumes… Kid Flash’s costume is primarily yellow (at least the upper body portion). [http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/\_\_cb20120225070308/marvel\_dc/images/9/98/Kid\_Flash\_Wally\_West\_004.jpg](http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120225070308/marvel_dc/images/9/98/Kid_Flash_Wally_West_004.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/273 "2015-01-21T08:04:40Z")
I didn’t think they could top the mid-season cliffhanger with Reverse Flash or even the Arrow/Flash crossover, but damn if Captain Cold doesn’t make for a great villain. You could tell that Wentworth Miller and Dominic Purcell were really enjoying their roles as Captain Cold and Heat Wave, respectively. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/274 "2015-01-21T15:13:07Z")
I know it wouldn’t make for great drama, but I couldn’t get past the fact that Barry should have been able to use his speed to easily disable/disarm these villains before they could even think about pulling a trigger. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/275 "2015-01-21T15:38:26Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I know it wouldn’t make for great drama, but I couldn’t get past the fact that Barry should have been able to use his speed to easily disable/disarm these villains before they could even think about pulling a trigger. And couldn’t the police have shot the Rogues while their backs were turned? They were firing at Barry, after all, so it would have been to protect a citizen. When Iris’ boyfriend pulled the Flash out of harm’s way, I was reminded of a famous scene in an early Spider Man in which an anonymous cop pulled an unconscious Spidey out of the path of a charging Rhino. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/276 "2015-01-21T16:58:37Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > I know it wouldn’t make for great drama, but I couldn’t get past the fact that Barry should have been able to use his speed to easily disable/disarm these villains before they could even think about pulling a trigger. Yeah, that really bugged me. He spent all that time- to him, what could have felt like _hours_- trying to get them to cross the streams… when all he had to do was casually walk up to them and disarm them. At the very least he could have just stood a long distance away and \*thrown \*stuff at them. He’s really not a very good speedster, is he? The only time he’s done serious Flash-level maneuvering was when he rabbit-punched Arrow during the crossover episodes. Also, it’s like the Central City PD doesn’t even know what a sniper rifle is. Heck, they hardly even know how to use their own pistols. All that said, though, I’m really enjoying the show. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/277 "2015-01-21T18:54:04Z")
A little too much relationship stuff, but otherwise okay. I liked seeing Dr. Wells getting ready to jump out of his wheelchair and rescue Barry from the drone. Hm. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2015, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/278 "2015-01-21T18:57:12Z")
That’s the problem with trying to use unpowered humans as bad guys, unless you go full Iron Man style super suit the cops should be easily be able to take them down. There was no reason why that street shouldn’t have been surrounded by snipers. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/279 "2015-01-22T20:46:31Z")
Of all the things in the show, the fact that police wouldn’t just shoot the two villains, or that they presented any threat to the Flash are the most unbelievable. Super speed I can accept. Super stupidity is the worst. ---
**Author:** ![DadWagonDriver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/edb3f5/32.png) [@DadWagonDriver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DadWagonDriver)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/280 "2015-01-23T13:40:13Z")
I love this show, and it’s family viewing for us and our kids. It’s probably more violent than I should be watching with a five year old, but I like that Barry is put into some situations where he just can’t do everything that needs to get done and needs to make some moral choices. This week’s episode was a dud for me, though. Captain Cold and Heat Wave were great villains, but so much of the writing was just dumb in this episode: 1. What kind of explosive was it that Joe saved Caitlin from? It looked like it had the firepower of a Snap-Pop from three 4th of Julys ago! 2. As has been mentioned, why didn’t the cops just shoot the villains in the back when The Flash distracted them? 3. Wells was tapping his foot in the wheelchair while talking to Joe at the police station. Are we supposed to believe that he’s that sloppy about hiding that he’s not paralyzed? Hopefully next week is better. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818.md?page=15)