# Flash: new TV show (boxed spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 9, 2014, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818 "2014-10-09T01:14:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/281 "2015-01-23T14:16:48Z")
Even if the cops couldn’t shoot the bad guys - why couldn’t the Flash just ‘grab the guns’ ?? that bugged me more than anything. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/282 "2015-01-23T14:18:33Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Even if the cops couldn’t shoot the bad guys - why couldn’t the Flash just ‘grab the guns’ ?? > > that bugged me more than anything. Or just punch them in the face! when he fought Arrow he told him “you know when we fight its like you are standing still right?” ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2015, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/283 "2015-01-23T14:27:52Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > Caitlin wanted to call him “Rainbow Raider”. Cisco, as Official Code Namer, dubbed him “Prism”. And then told Caitlin she’s not allowed to name the villains. (I have no idea why Cisco went with Prism…Bivlo’s most recent codename was Chroma.) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2015, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/284 "2015-01-24T02:46:40Z")
> [@wmulax93](#): > > 1. Wells was tapping his foot in the wheelchair while talking to Joe at the police station. Are we supposed to believe that he’s that sloppy about hiding that he’s not paralyzed? I got the impression in the earlier scene that he was concerned that Barry was going to be hurt or killed during the drone training and was subconsciously contemplating Reverse-Flashing out there to protect him, though I suppose there are plenty of people who need wheelchairs but aren’t completely paralyzed. Not a great episode. I’m starting to actually find it annoying that Flash isn’t solving problems (in this case, by casually disarming the human villains at super-speed) in milliseconds, and the romantic complications with Iris have become tedious. Well, plus the cops should have shot Snart dead at the airfield the moment he pointed his known-lethal cold gun at them. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2015, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/285 "2015-01-24T03:36:44Z")
Police aren’t as violent in Central City, I guess. Maybe Central City is broke, and they don’t want the public to find out the police can’t afford bullets. Still, while the _Prison Break_ brothers’ reunion was fine, the writers really needed to do something to make them more menacing. A public showdown like that is 1960s comic book dumb. I’m usually great at suspending my disbelief at these types of shows, but this episode broke it. My guess is that the writers are confined by having to fit everything the showrunner wants into ~43 minutes, rather than giving the villains more time to grow. Do too little, people complain the show is moving too slow. Do too much, and you end up taking nonsensical shortcuts to shoehorn in all the plot points and special effects shots called for. This might be especially true with episodes written and filmed before a second season pick up (which _The Flash_ did get, but likely after this episode was in the can). I’m hoping they can find the right pace. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2015, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/286 "2015-01-24T03:51:49Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Maybe Central City is broke, and they don’t want the public to find out the police can’t afford bullets. Maybe the Flash can move fast, but only when he _isn’t_ hitting folks in the brain stem. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2015, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/287 "2015-01-25T13:38:01Z")
> [@wmulax93](#): > > 1. Wells was tapping his foot in the wheelchair while talking to Joe at the police station. Are we supposed to believe that he’s that sloppy about hiding that he’s not paralyzed? He also started to stand up during the drone test. He’s getting sloppy, and obviously more and more tired of having to play the gimp. It wouldn’t surprise me if he managed to concoct some miracle, technobabble “cure” for his paralysis. “Uh-oh,” says a cop. “The bad guys have a couple guns with a range of about 50 feet. Somebody get me a rifle and two bullets.” ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/288 "2015-01-27T02:59:52Z")
Heatwave being so evil was weird for me. My main familiarity with the character was when he reformed and became a supporting character for Superboy. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/289 "2015-01-29T05:14:45Z")
Ok. So, Dr. Wells has a yellow suit/red lightning. But apparently he can only do it in short bursts (not sustained like Barry)? And what was he saying at the end, that the tachyon device was only a temporary fix for… What now? And can he walk for only short periods as well, since he collapsed in the hallway once the Pied Piper escaped? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/290 "2015-01-29T06:57:56Z")
I think I was in denial about Dr Wells really being Reverse Flash. Maybe he just happened to have brought back a yellow suit with him from THE FUTURE, you know? This episode has removed all doubt. Can we start calling him Professor Zoom now? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/291 "2015-01-29T07:39:10Z")
If he’s Reverse Flash, how did he beat himself up when they almost captured him? I’m not sure he’s RF yet. Plus, he left a pure red streak, not red & yellow. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/292 "2015-01-29T07:55:06Z")
The Flash has beat himself up before in the comics. On the TV show, they showed Barry taking a selfie by moving really fast before the camera dropped, effectively being in two places at once. I’m sure Reverse Flash can do even better. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/293 "2015-01-29T21:04:19Z")
But he was trapped in some sort of force field thing, at least temporarily. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/294 "2015-01-30T00:10:49Z")
I’m wondering if Eddie finds something while searching Wells’s house hich forms his own connection with the Reverse Flash character. Probably something that goes off in his face. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/295 "2015-01-30T02:30:05Z")
I’m still not convinced the Wells we are used to is fully evil. More pragmatic and cold. The Reverse Flash that fought Barry is either Wells from earlier or later in the timeline or someone else who also uses the suit. I could be wrong, but that’s what I think. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/296 "2015-01-30T05:55:24Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I’m still not convinced the Wells we are used to is fully evil. More pragmatic and cold. The Reverse Flash that fought Barry is either Wells from earlier or later in the timeline or someone else who also uses the suit. I could be wrong, but that’s what I think. I think the “obvious” answer is that Wells believes that it is vitally important to the future of the human race that Barry become the Flash, because he has some important part to play. So Wells has done things that are in and of themselves evil, including killing Barry’s mom, to further that goal. At least, I think that’s what we’re meant to assume given what we’ve seen so far. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/297 "2015-01-30T11:28:35Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > I think the “obvious” answer is that Wells believes that it is vitally important to the future of the human race that Barry become the Flash, because he has some important part to play. So Wells has done things that are in and of themselves evil, including killing Barry’s mom, to further that goal. At least, I think that’s what we’re meant to assume given what we’ve seen so far. This is my impression as well. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/298 "2015-01-30T12:09:54Z")
Yeah, me too. I think he is as good as he appears to be, when he helps and supports the Flash, but he has a larger agenda that is more ambiguous. I think they’re playing with us, trying to paint him as evil, but there’s more to the situation than meets the eye. I hope so, anyway, as I quite like him otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/299 "2015-01-30T22:36:30Z")
I wonder if the motive is to turn him into a hero worthy of having him as an adversary. They are destined to meet in an Ultimate Showdown in the future Wells came from and he wants it to be something other than a Curb Stomping. There are worse motivations. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/300 "2015-01-30T22:42:43Z")
I still think whatever he is up to, has to do with his wife’s death. I was just thinking the current villain on Arrow, a gangster called Brick, would make a good villain for Flash. He seems to be invulnerable to bullets (high speed) but vulnerable to arrows (slower speed). That’d make him immune to Flash’s high speed punches, when he decides to use them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818.md?page=16)