# Flash: new TV show (boxed spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 9, 2014, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818 "2014-10-09T01:14:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/542 "2015-05-13T18:12:55Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > (3) Maybe he would be better if I were a comics reader, but the whole character of Captain Cold has always left me, umm, indifferent. A prime example of “if Barry just used his super speed with any intelligence he would have defeated this guy 2 seconds after meeting him”, and then the way he trusted him was obviously ridiculous It was once explained that Captain Cold projects a field of “absolute zero” around himself that slows the Flash down considerably, which is why the Rogues can get potshots to hit. The rest of the Rogues? No info given. But Cold was given a “here’s how he survives a fight” reason. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/543 "2015-05-13T18:51:23Z")
Things that made no sense to me 1. No locks. 2. Captain Cold has a gun that turns things into gold. I do not understand his motivation. I could understand (possibly) elaborate heists to see if he could do them. But why bother with smash & grab robberies. He could just buy whatever he wants. 3. Why they needed Captain Cold at all - couldn’t Cisco just make another cold gun? Why bother? 4. Where Oliver came from. Wasn’t he busy during the prisoner transport? Why/How did that change? ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/544 "2015-05-13T21:05:08Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > 1. Captain Cold has a gun that turns things into gold. I do not understand his motivation. I could understand (possibly) elaborate heists to see if he could do them. But why bother with smash & grab robberies. He could just buy whatever he wants. Yes, the gold gun is quite possibly the stupidest weapon ever created. And that doesn’t even take into account the fact that actually using it as a weapon is the stupidest possible way to use it… ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/545 "2015-05-13T22:58:05Z")
Anybody else wondering what it was Captain Cold asked the Flash to get him first? Before settling for wiping out the info about him. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/546 "2015-05-14T00:14:12Z")
In comics, how long was Hal Jordan gone when he had his meet and greet with Abin Sur? I mean, I assume others got that reference? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/547 "2015-05-14T01:26:04Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > In comics, how long was Hal Jordan gone when he had his meet and greet with Abin Sur? I mean, I assume others got that reference? Oh yes, GL Hal Jordan is my all-time favorite superhero. I got the reference immediately. And now I am desperately hoping for a GL appearance. And a GL show. As far as the last episode … did I just “mis-view” because I was drinking beer while watching, or did C/Kaitlyn’s eyes glow red at one point during the supervillian escape scene? Or was that somebody else? I also have no memory of Captain Cold’s sister kissing Cisco. In fact, I don’t remember her at all. Again, beer. Sorry, I have to watch online the day after, and _The Flash_ airs the same night as _iZombie_, and I tend to watch _iZombie_ first. So by the time I watch _The Flash_, I have a few beers in me. I don’t have the same problem with _Arrow_, as it’s the first and only show I watch on Thursdays. ---
**Author:** ![CaptainAmerica\_1987](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/49beb7/32.png) [@CaptainAmerica\_1987](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptainAmerica_1987)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/548 "2015-05-14T02:04:55Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Oh yes, GL Hal Jordan is my all-time favorite superhero. I got the reference immediately. And now I am desperately hoping for a GL appearance. > > And a GL show. > > As far as the last episode … did I just “mis-view” because I was drinking beer while watching, or did C/Kaitlyn’s eyes glow red at one point during the supervillian escape scene? Or was that somebody else? > > I also have no memory of Captain Cold’s sister kissing Cisco. In fact, I don’t remember her at all. Again, beer. Sorry, I have to watch online the day after, and _The Flash_ airs the same night as _iZombie_, and I tend to watch _iZombie_ first. So by the time I watch _The Flash_, I have a few beers in me. I don’t have the same problem with _Arrow_, as it’s the first and only show I watch on Thursdays. It’s going to be VERY hard to justify Captain Cold as a Superhero on DC’s Legends of Tomorrow after what he did to the Flash by betraying him and letting those meta humans go. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/549 "2015-05-14T02:58:35Z")
Erm, since you quoted me, where do I suggest that Captain Cold is a superhero rather than a supervillian? ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/550 "2015-05-14T03:00:57Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > As far as the last episode … did I just “mis-view” because I was drinking beer while watching, or did C/Kaitlyn’s eyes glow red at one point during the supervillian escape scene? Or was that somebody else? Yes, her eyes glowed red when the prisoner known as the Rainbow Raider looked in her eyes and used his powers on her. He incites anger in the object of his gaze, which is why Caitlyn went berserk for a while there. > [@](#): > > I also have no memory of Captain Cold’s sister kissing Cisco. In fact, I don’t remember her at all. The first time we saw her was a few episodes ago. She flirted with Cisco in a bar (she was wearing a blond wig), and made him think she was really into him. But it was just a trick so she could kidnap him and she and her brother made him build weapons (cold gun, gold gun) for them. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/551 "2015-05-14T03:02:46Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Oh yes, GL Hal Jordan is my all-time favorite superhero. I got the reference immediately. And now I am desperately hoping for a GL appearance. > > And a GL show. > > As far as the last episode … did I just “mis-view” because I was drinking beer while watching, or did C/Kaitlyn’s eyes glow red at one point during the supervillian escape scene? Or was that somebody else? > > I also have no memory of Captain Cold’s sister kissing Cisco. In fact, I don’t remember her at all. Again, beer. Sorry, I have to watch online the day after, and _The Flash_ airs the same night as _iZombie_, and I tend to watch _iZombie_ first. So by the time I watch _The Flash_, I have a few beers in me. I don’t have the same problem with _Arrow_, as it’s the first and only show I watch on Thursdays. Her eyes glowed red when the mind control guy made her attack Cisco. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/552 "2015-05-14T03:14:17Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > As far as the last episode … did I just “mis-view” because I was drinking beer while watching, or did C/Kaitlyn’s eyes glow red at one point during the supervillian escape scene? Or was that somebody else? Caitlin’s eyes glowed red just before she attacked Cisco, under influence of Rainbow Raider (? - that dude who made everyone angry). ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/553 "2015-05-14T04:32:43Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > (Not to mention that now it’s Wells who is using his super speed in a moronic fashion, in that he decided to stop and normal-speed monologue before finishing Ollie off.) It’s a rule. If you don’t stop, gloat, and make a speech right before your supposed moment of triumph, they take away your supervillain card. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/554 "2015-05-14T12:54:32Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > In comics, how long was Hal Jordan gone when he had his meet and greet with Abin Sur? I mean, I assume others got that reference? Couldn’t have been more than 6 hours or so. Hal was in the trainer, was snatched by Abin, was given the 2 page info dump, given the ring (and Abin dies) spends a page or so playing with the ring (putting on a mask, burying Abin under a mountain range he just lifted up, flying) and then he goes back to Ferris Air. However, I’d have no problem with the two page info-dump, Abin gives him the ring and the ring says “Alert-Untrained User! Go to Oa. Go Directly To Oa. Do Not Pass Ferris Aircraft. Do Not Collect $200.00” and shanghais him to basic training. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/555 "2015-05-14T17:24:14Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > Anybody else wondering what it was Captain Cold asked the Flash to get him first? Before settling for wiping out the info about him. Whatever it was, I’m guessing that in Season 2, Captain Cold (with help from the Rogues) is going to try to get it for himself. Interestingly, IIRC, Barry said that he couldn’t get it, not that he wouldn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/556 "2015-05-14T21:02:56Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Couldn’t have been more than 6 hours or so. Hal was in the trainer, was snatched by Abin, was given the 2 page info dump, given the ring (and Abin dies) spends a page or so playing with the ring (putting on a mask, burying Abin under a mountain range he just lifted up, flying) and then he goes back to Ferris Air. Wasn’t he in his study when a lantern came flying in through his window? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/557 "2015-05-14T21:07:58Z")
By the way, was that a deliberate tribute to the Coyote and Roadrunner cartoons, or did it just seem so to me? ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/558 "2015-05-15T01:22:09Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > By the way, was that a deliberate tribute to the Coyote and Roadrunner cartoons, or did it just seem so to me? Did they drop an anvil on the Reverse Flash or something? I missed it. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/559 "2015-05-15T02:03:58Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Wasn’t he in his study when a lantern came flying in through his window? Wut? ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/560 "2015-05-15T03:56:32Z")
This deleted scene reveals they (or at least Caitlin) did actually feed the metahumans imprisoned in STAR Labs: So now the big question is how did they go to the bathroom. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/561 "2015-05-15T14:53:56Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > Did they drop an anvil on the Reverse Flash or something? I missed it. Right after the scene where Peekaboo threatens Caitlin (and gets conked by Iris), Barry is chasing Thawne through the city and reaches out to grab him when Thawne puts on a burst of a speed and disappears over the horizon, leaving Barry behind. I almost expected Barry’s jaw to cartoonishly hit the ground. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818.md?page=29)