# Flash: new TV show (boxed spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 9, 2014, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818 "2014-10-09T01:14:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/81 "2014-10-22T03:12:06Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > Wally is (or was\*\*) differentiated mainly by being goofier and not connected to the police, nor a scientist (…well, he did go to work for the cops for a while, but that didn’t last, and he was a mechanic, IIRC). The DCAU Wally works in a crime lab, at least at one point–we see him at work briefly in the _JLU_ episode “Flash and Substance”\*, and he was analyzing some sort of residue and connecting it to a crime scene. I don’t believe we ever see Wally at any other job, though he did some commercials as the Flash. \*To go along with your comment about in-jokes: Mark Hamill, who played the Trickster in the old live-action series, also voices the Trickster in this episode. Given his existing association with the DCAU, I suppose it was irresistible. ---
**Author:** ![JoannaDee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@JoannaDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoannaDee)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/82 "2014-10-22T05:46:09Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > Well… that was an interesting two-hour pilot slashed to the 45-minute synopsis version. I am whelmed, as a friend used to say, but I’ll give it a few eps to develop some (heh, heh) legs. > > The extended cameo by John Wesley Shipp is a really nice touch. Maybe I’m just a sucker for cheap insider sentimentality. I was really disappointed by the show to be honest. And I guess I don’t watch enough TV, I didn’t know what cameo I was watching 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Roundabout](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/dec6dc/32.png) [@Roundabout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roundabout)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/83 "2014-10-22T09:06:36Z")
Meh. I’ve watched the first two episodes of _Flash_, and while it may be a fair adaptation of the source material, it still seems like the same soapy, _Smallville_-esque material that i’ve long grown tired of in CW shows (complete with a cheesy villain of the week, every week). ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/84 "2014-10-22T15:44:05Z")
I’m hanging in there because I was a pretty big fan of the Flash as a kid, but I’ll concede this show is missing a spark. I get that it can’t have the grit that Green Arrow has, but the writer’s seem to lack imagination when it comes to his abilities. In _The Incredibles_ Dash worked out almost immediately that he could dodge punches at superspeed because really, someone fast enough to dodge bullets can dodge a punch from someone right in front of him. And the characters are pretty much straight from Central Casting, Comic Book Division. Iris the journalist love interest that can’t see the hero is right in front of her, the over-enthusiastic science geek, the Jiminy Cricket chick insisting power be used responsibly, the mentor who knows more than he’s telling. It makes the show too predictable; who _doesn’t_ foresee an angsty episode with Caitlin’s fiance returned from the dead with powers? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/85 "2014-10-22T16:06:24Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > I’m hanging in there because I was a pretty big fan of the Flash as a kid, but I’ll concede this show is missing a spark. I get that it can’t have the grit that Green Arrow has, but the writer’s seem to lack imagination when it comes to his abilities. In _The Incredibles_ Dash worked out almost immediately that he could dodge punches at superspeed because really, someone fast enough to dodge bullets can dodge a punch from someone right in front of him. > > And the characters are pretty much straight from Central Casting, Comic Book Division. Iris the journalist love interest that can’t see the hero is right in front of her, the over-enthusiastic science geek, the Jiminy Cricket chick insisting power be used responsibly, the mentor who knows more than he’s telling. It makes the show too predictable; who _doesn’t_ foresee an angsty episode with Caitlin’s fiance returned from the dead with powers? And it’ll be the moment the Flash and her finally hook up. ---
**Author:** ![Finagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@Finagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Finagle)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/86 "2014-10-22T16:10:37Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > _doesn’t_ foresee an angsty episode with Caitlin’s fiance returned from the dead with powers? Either _evil_ powers, or he sacrifices himself _again_ 'cause he’s just that kind of guy. Or both. I had a few issues with the third episode. First of all, “condemned criminal comes back to seek revenge on judge and cop who put him away?” How hackneyed is that? What’s more, the bad guy seemed to have psychic powers – how’d he know where to find his victims? And why attack someone in a prison? Wouldn’t you be more likely to lurk around their house until they came home from work? And since when is there an injectable antidote to hydrogen cyanide? So that was all in the service of plot convenience, I guess. But how dumb is the Flash? He’s moving at half the speed of sound and can’t keep away from _mist_? Dude, you’re fighting a mist creature. Run into town and buy yourself a leaf blower. Or a few bags of activated charcoal. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/87 "2014-10-22T16:16:07Z")
That was the thing we were laughing at when watching the past few weeks. The Flash is getting beat up by the Mist and last week by Multiplex when he should have been able to handle them fairly easily with his super speed. Although with the Mist, he was letting himself get beaten that first time so he could get that sample. So he’s got that going for him, which is nice. Ron is coming back as Firestorm. I figured that it was Ron Raymond just about as soon as I heard his name Ron mentioned. That seems like a bit of a leap in power levels but we’ll see how that plays out. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/88 "2014-10-22T16:54:25Z")
Firestorm is a composite of two people, though, IIRC. So who’s the other “part” of him going to be? Another thing: When the Flash asked Mist why he’d killed the judge, Mist answered something like “She deserved to die.” I think it would have been a better line if he’d said, “She started it.” ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/89 "2014-10-22T17:11:09Z")
> [@Dendarii\_Dame](#): > > Firestorm is a composite of two people, though, IIRC. So who’s the other “part” of him going to be? Dr. Martin Stein, apparently. > **[Robbie Amell Reveals Major Details About 'Firestorm' In THE FLASH; "He's Very...](https://comicbookmovie.com/the-flash/robbie-amell-reveals-major-details-about-firestorm-in-the-flash-hes-very-powerful-a109612)** > > Robbie Amell reveals major details about his role as Firestorm in The Flash in this interview, revealing how the Ronnie Raymond/Martin Stein relationship works before promising a faithful take on the superhero for comic book fans and even teasing the... ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/90 "2014-10-22T20:24:05Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > And it’ll be the moment the Flash and her finally hook up. I’d have thought that but next week’s ep puts Felicity from _Arrow_ back in the mix. I actually like her as a love interest for Barry; it makes more sense than her and Ollie even if it can’t last due to Iris. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/91 "2014-10-22T23:40:44Z")
> [@epbrown01](#): > > I actually like her as a love interest for Barry; it makes more sense than her and Ollie… Absolutely 100% agree. Getting Felicity and Oliver together is a horrible idea. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2014, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/92 "2014-10-22T23:55:30Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > But how dumb is the Flash? He’s moving at half the speed of sound and can’t keep away from _mist_? Dude, you’re fighting a mist creature. Run into town and buy yourself a leaf blower. Or a few bags of activated charcoal. Two weeks ago, he squared off against the Weather Wizard by running fast enough to let the wind in his wake cancel out a tornado. Remember that? I don’t think he does. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/93 "2014-10-24T14:19:08Z")
The Firestorm logo on the accelerator door was kinda cute. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingDragonFan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c89c15/32.png) [@FlyingDragonFan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingDragonFan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/94 "2014-10-24T18:58:08Z")
So assuming there is some sort of inertial dampening effect tied in with his powers so that’s he’s not creating tornado-strength vortices wherever he goes, how fast would he have to be moving that he’d actually appear invisible to bystanders? The F-15 has a top speed in the range of mach 2.5, which seems pretty fast but certainly doesn’t make the plane invisible. But, a small object going that fast at ground level and not creating much turbulence or noise might zip past you fast enough that you’d be all “huh?” But that’s also way faster than any numbers the show’s thrown out so far for Barry’s speed. The fastest I remember him being described as moving was around 600 mph, which doesn’t seem near enough to pass unnoticed, but again, maybe a person moving that fast would be hard to see? I’m enjoying the show, but have to admit that I’m a little perturbed by everyone describing him as the Red Streak, when the FX always make the yellow lightning more predominant. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2014, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/95 "2014-10-24T19:06:39Z")
His powers include the ability to make everyone blink the moment he passes them. It’s like flash photography. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/96 "2014-10-25T01:48:04Z")
So, just watched the first three episodes tonight. I’ve been watching _Arrow_ on Netflix, and sort of forgot that I can watch current shows the next day via Internet. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Once they go into Time Travel, I am gone. > > But Flash was a wiseacre, and they need to show more of that, less naif boy-toy. Wally West was the wiseacre, not Barry so much. > [@Quimby](#): > > I liked it and was happy to see a superhero story that was fun rather than dark and depressing. Yeah, I’m sick of “dark and gritty”. The Flash should be fun. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > Speaking of DC darkening its heroes, Barry Allen has been a blond since 1956. That’s my only complaint so far. Barry is not a brunette. > [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > You COULD say that: [http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/\_\_cb20091010210627/marvel\_dc/images/4/46/Flash\_Green\_Lantern\_Brave\_and\_the\_Bold\_4.jpg](http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091010210627/marvel_dc/images/4/46/Flash_Green_Lantern_Brave_and_the_Bold_4.jpg) OMG, I love Hal facepalming in the background! > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Of course, if Barry really wants to get his father out of prison, he could bust him out in a literal heartbeat. That’s been addressed in the show. > [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > I was about to say ‘no, that was Wally’, then I realized you meant the live action TV series, where, yes, that was Barry. \>\_\> (Man, I forgot all about that thing…it was kind of fun…) > > Asking which is the most popular version of a legacy character is pretty much asking for flamewars, honestly (though Flash fans are less prone to it than, say, Green Lantern fans\*) - Barry seems to be the most popular among creators. Among fans…depends when they started reading. Hal Jordan is the #1 Green Lantern of Sector 2814. Why is there an argument? Though I do love Guy Gardner > [@Finagle](#): > > So that was all in the service of plot convenience, I guess. But how dumb is the Flash? He’s moving at half the speed of sound and can’t keep away from _mist_? Dude, you’re fighting a mist creature. Run into town and buy yourself a leaf blower. Or a few bags of activated charcoal. In MMO video game lingo, we’d call what he did, “kiting the boss”. He kept Vapor Boy chasing him long enough to wear himself out. > [@epbrown01](#): > > I’d have thought that but next week’s ep puts Felicity from _Arrow_ back in the mix. I actually like her as a love interest for Barry; it makes more sense than her and Ollie even if it can’t last due to Iris. > [@GuanoLad](#): > > Absolutely 100% agree. Getting Felicity and Oliver together is a horrible idea. Yeah, Felicity is perfect for Barry, but as soon as I saw it in _Arrow_, the comic fan in me knew it wasn’t going to happen. > [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > The Firestorm logo on the accelerator door was kinda cute. Since nobody else has mentioned it, am I the only one who noticed the broken-out-of cell with a “GRODD” nametag? I was puzzled by its location in the site of the particle accelerator. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/97 "2014-10-25T01:52:33Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Since nobody else has mentioned it, am I the only one who noticed the broken-out-of cell with a “GRODD” nametag? I was puzzled by its location in the site of the particle accelerator. I didn’t even notice the cell, truth be told. I was probably reading something while watching. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/98 "2014-10-25T02:06:56Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Hal Jordan is the #1 Green Lantern of Sector 2814. Why is there an argument? Alan Scott is basically Steve Rogers with Clark Kent’s power level. ---
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/99 "2014-10-25T16:41:33Z")
Was I imagining things or did the sign over the cinema advertise a movie with Rita Farr? ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2014, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818/100 "2014-10-25T19:29:29Z")
> [@Uniqueorn](#): > > Was I imagining things or did the sign over the cinema advertise a movie with Rita Farr? That and a Blue Devil movie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flash-new-tv-show-boxed-spoilers/700818.md?page=6)