# Flawless Films

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [April 16, 2004, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424 "2004-04-16T20:56:26Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Nightwatch\_Trailer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9dc877/32.png) [@Nightwatch\_Trailer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightwatch_Trailer)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/21 "2004-04-17T00:28:34Z")

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A third for _Toy Story_. When I first saw it I was just amazed by everything in the movie. Most especially I’d like to point out how amazingly well-done the characters are; in a regular Disney movie they’d all be flat caricatures, but _Toy Story_’s characters have genuine personalities.

I’m gonna throw out _Star Wars_ as well (the original trilogy, but in particular _The Empire Strikes Back_). For what it was, it was executed perfectly in my opinion. Those three movies are some of the only ones I’ve watched time and time again and haven’t gotten bored of.

I have a problem with _Holes_, though. I didn’t think it was a _bad_ movie, but I thought it was somewhat…off-kilter. It seemed like it couldn’t decide whether to be a typical family movie or a strange, almost surreal film (there were some weird things in that movie. It actually disturbed me a little, though I’m not really sure why). That’s probably just me, though. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Michael\_Ellis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/977dab/32.png) [@Michael\_Ellis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Michael_Ellis)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/22 "2004-04-17T00:40:09Z")

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**Manos: The Hands of Fate**  
Flawlessly awful.

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**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/23 "2004-04-17T00:51:57Z")

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Ordinary People  
One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest  
To Kill a Mockingbird  
In America (Released just last year–superb)  
The Usual Suspects

Honarable mention:  
Dead Poet’s Society  
Color Purple  
Driving Miss Daisy  
Good Will Hunting

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**Author:** ![BrotherCadfael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BrotherCadfael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrotherCadfael)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/24 "2004-04-17T00:54:48Z")

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> [@Bippy the Beardless](#):
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> I think Lawrence of Arabia was pretty much flawless and maybe Butch Cassedy and The Sundance Kid.

Butch Cassidy was pretty good, but perfect? Six words: “Raindrops Keep Fallin’ On My Head”.

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**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/25 "2004-04-17T01:05:26Z")

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The one I agree with that’s been named so far is Chinatown.

My own addition is Sense and Sensibility.

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**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/26 "2004-04-17T01:26:03Z")

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> [@belladonna](#):
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> Really? I’ve always felt the transparancy was intentional. In the book it’s pretty clear that people know the girl is lying but choose to convict anyway in order to put Tom “in his place”. The courthouse and the trial were the town’s entertainment for the summer. I thought that scene did a pretty good job of conveying that.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

The transparancy of her lies is the whole point, and the whole horror of it.

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**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/27 "2004-04-17T01:39:58Z")

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**Ran**

Absolutely magnificent adaptation of **King Lear** by Akira Kurosawa. From beginning to end, it is the climax of his career.

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**Author:** ![in\_hiding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c5a1d2/32.png) [@in\_hiding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/in_hiding)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/28 "2004-04-17T01:45:15Z")

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**The Blues Brothers**

It’s certainly not high culture, and just my personal Opinion, but there’s _nothing_ wrong with this Movie.

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**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/29 "2004-04-17T01:56:16Z")

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The Shawshank Redemption

A River Runs through It

The Graduate

Stand By Me

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**Author:** ![bonzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/45deac/32.png) [@bonzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bonzer)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/30 "2004-04-17T02:39:13Z")

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> [@bookbuster](#):
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> I only feel this way about **Dr. Strangelove**. I don’t think one frame of that movie could be improved.

I’ll slightly disagree. From memory, Sadesky, the Soviet ambassador, reveals the whole crucial business of the “domesday machine” while most of the US bomber fleet is still _en route_. Assuming MAD, this automated Soviet response in the face of an all-out assault isn’t so absurd. Revealing it later, when there’s only the lone bomber on course to an essentially irrelevant target, and thus making clear that the actual stakes are the future of most of humanity balanced against a pinprick, would be much more appropriately cruel.

It’s still one of the best films ever made.

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**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/31 "2004-04-17T04:20:27Z")

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**O’Brother Where Are Thou**

**The Big Lebowski**

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**Author:** ![JoeSki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b487fb/32.png) [@JoeSki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoeSki)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/32 "2004-04-17T11:10:07Z")

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**The Good the Bad and the Ugly**

**Return of the King**

**Forrest Gump**

And I’ll third that **Casablanca**

Honorable mentions:

Phone Booth  
Blazing Saddles  
Pulp Fiction\*

\*For some reason when Uma’s character is saying “That’s when you know you can be really comfortable around someone. When you can just sit down, and shut the fuck up.” it always strikes me that that is just one curse word too many. At no other part of the movie do I think that. The use of the F word in that sentence just seems so uneccesary. I don’t understand myself either.

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**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/33 "2004-04-17T11:57:57Z")

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> [@ISiddiqui](#):
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> **O’Brother Where Are Thou**

O Brother is is first one that occured to me. The Coen brothers truly made a masterpiece there. Not one thing is ill considered in that movie. I could watch it all day long.

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**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/34 "2004-04-17T12:29:18Z")

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_Room With a View_.

I may be a tad biased since it is my favorite film, but I just bought the new special edition DVD last night and watched it again. I must have seen it at least 100 times by now. There are usually one or two things even in my most favorite movies that I don’t like, but in this case I can’t find anything that strikes me as wrong: the casting and performances seem perfect to me, the music, the pacing–some of James Ivory’s other films tend to drag at points–and of course it’s all beautifully photographed. Plus, it’s a wonderful adaption of the novel.

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**Author:** ![Evil\_Death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecccb3/32.png) [@Evil\_Death](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Death)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/35 "2004-04-17T13:25:17Z")

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Nobody’s mentioned Donnie Darko yet? You’re all soulless scum-suckers, every last one of you.

😛

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**Author:** ![BabaBooey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dfb087/32.png) [@BabaBooey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BabaBooey)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/36 "2004-04-17T13:53:22Z")

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Crap, I forgot to mention **Amadeus**. F Murray Abraham was cast perfectly as Saliere. Watch some of his interviews, the guy IS Saliere…

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**Author:** ![yellowval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/919ad9/32.png) [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/37 "2004-04-17T14:20:28Z")

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**BabaBoey** , you beat me to it. **Amadeus** was _my_ answer!

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**Author:** ![Brainiac4](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brainiac4/32/3534_2.png) [@Brainiac4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainiac4)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/38 "2004-04-17T14:30:50Z")

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I’m in agreement with Toy Story, although I like Toy Story 2 better.

I’m going to go with one that I bet will be unpopular:

**Die Hard**

And I bet Dangerosa will add:

**Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl**

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**Author:** ![legion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/838e76/32.png) [@legion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/legion)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/39 "2004-04-17T14:39:46Z")

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> [@bookbuster](#):
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> I only feel this way about **Dr. Strangelove**. I don’t think one frame of that movie could be improved.

I have to agree after, spookily, watching this film last night for the first time in about 20 years!

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**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\
**Post date:** [April 17, 2004, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/flawless-films/240424/40 "2004-04-17T14:45:17Z")

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Terence Malik’s _Badlands_ which I have watched over and over again. When it came on cable TV and I got my teenage son to watch it, he was slack jawed in amazement. You have to watch every frame and listen to every word and nuance to get the whole experience.

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