This is deeply sad and depressing. To think that there are democrats in Florida who are still legally able to vote after what happened in 2000. What’s taking Florida so long to purge these illegal voters from the voter lists?
The problem I see is that, if you think you aren’t allowed to vote, you may be disinclined to cast a provisional ballot. Maybe out of protest, and maybe because you’ll hear the term and think your vote is useless.
I am actually starting to believe that Republicans, despite the facts, really think this is an issue. They can’t fathom any other reason why they would lose the Latino vote.
Some are so PC that they don’t mind felons or fraudsters voting.
Cite that there are any? The Bush Admin and its DoJ spent two terms looking nationwide for cases of ineligible voters voting and could not come up with a dozen.
JBGUSA, your posts to this thread are incomprehensible. They might as well be in Mandarin. Except the last one, where you got utterly whooshed.
Are they losing it?
Can you provide, within the next 30 days, 10 accurate and verifiable cases of illegal vote tampering in Florida in the last election? Not someone saying the numbers don’t add up but no data, not someone saying “But… ACORN!!!”
Actual fraudulent voting that was documented to have occurred.
I am willing to bet you can’t, because there is no such thing.
It also seems that the folks who created this list didn’t cross reference it against a listing of those who petitioned to get their voting rights restored (which, interestingly enough, was made MUCH more difficult in Florida just last year… hmmm).
I think it’s pretty clear by now that RWs/Pubs place little to no civic value on voter turnout as such. They seem to have internalized the narrative of the late Paul Weyrich:
Anyone care to argue that Pubs/RWs in general have not adopted this attitude? Or that it is a defensible one?
Citation quite very badly needed.
Justice Department Demands Florida Stop Purging Voter Rolls
and in the spirit of good news for democracy:
Well, it’s understandable. “Internicola”? That’s not a real American name, that’s some kinda too-elaborate madeup porn name!
Florida voter purge may not stop despite Federal demand.
The DoJ sent the letter to Florida Secretary of State Detzner. Detzner says it’s up to the counties if they want to keep up the purge. Seminole and South Florida counties have both said they are going to continue. Mike Ertel, the Elections Supervisor of Seminole County, has said he absolutely will continue until he receives an injunction ordering him to stop.
This is a very, very worrisome development. What if Florida flips the DOJ the bird and claims some “state’s rights” justification? The DOJ takes them to court? How long will that take? If Florida insists on proceeding, and the election is held under this cloud, how will we ever sort out who legally won?
That’s precisely the sort of situation that usually results in an injunction to cease and desist until the legalities are definitively settled. If they still don’t follow the order… well, that’s why federal agents carry guns, not walkie-talkies.
Are you seriously denying the existence of walking-around money?
I am demanding JBGUSA provide a cite for what he’s talking about. Demanding that is the Dope way, and so is providing it.
I agree. The judge didn’t block the parts of that law I find extremely valuable: voter registration drive workers have to register with the state, and affix identification numbers on the backs of all applications they handle. As long as that requirement survives – and it has – I am happy.
Well, yes… if someone makes a claim you doubt.
If someone makes a claim to you know to be true, but don’t wish to acknowledge, then you might also demand a cite, under the theory that it’s far easier to type the word “Cite?” than it is to actually go out and get a cite.
So we (or at least I) sort of hope than when someone says “Cite?” they are asking because they genuinely either doubt the truth of the assertion or wish additional details. Someone who demands a cite for the purposes of denying what he knows to be true anyway is not, in my opinion, doing things the Dope way.
So that’s why I ask you, incredulously, if you were genuinely unaware of the practice of handing out “walking-around money.”
But to the extent you were, here is a good overview from Slate.
Bricker, you may want to take a second quick look at the initial exchange. BG clearly recognizes the traditional concept of WaM (loosely paying for gas, food, etc. for registration drives conducted by party officials) in his post, but is reacting to the contention that people are receiving cash for votes. Not that it never been an issue, but so far from current reality that BG was right to call for a cite.
Ahhhh…
My mistake, then.
And it’s a fair point – the phrase has been used to refer to either of those kinds of activites.
I’m sorry. My bad.