# Florida Dads Shoot Each Others Daughters in Road Rage Incident **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** breaking-news\ **Created:** [October 14, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264 "2022-10-14T18:12:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/21 "2022-10-15T12:05:32Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Tom Lehrer, The Hunting Son. Yesterday’s insane parody today’s headlines. Years ago I confronted an armed trespasser scouting out where he’d be hunting deer. I took pictures with my phone and told him he was trespassing and to go away and not come back. (Of course I used expletives and threats) It wasn’t until later that I thought about the fact that he had a gun and I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/22 "2022-10-15T14:14:54Z")
bodycam vid from a responding officer: > **[reddit.com: over 18?](https://old.reddit.com/over18?dest=https%3A%2F%2Fold.reddit.com%2Fr%2FPublicFreakout%2Fcomments%2Fy4mfjj%2Ftwo_florida_fathers_shoot_each_others_daughters_5%2F)** > > Reddit gives you the best of the internet in one place. Get a constantly updating feed of breaking news, fun stories, pics, memes, and videos just for you. Passionate about something niche? Reddit has thousands of vibrant communities with people that... ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/23 "2022-10-15T15:31:46Z")
**Moderator Note** > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > so much for “an armed society is a polite society” > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > The only thing that can stop a bad dad with a gun is another bad dad with a gun. > [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > It’s not really an armed society if the children don’t have guns of their own. This is a breaking news thread, not a gun control thread, so no political comments or pot-shots, please. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/24 "2022-10-15T15:43:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I hope they both lose the right to own guns for the rest of their life. Maybe that would send a message. I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess they would own guns anyway and in the good old USA it’s painfully easy to get a gun illegally. > [@ekedolphin](#): > > Both men are out on bail. How can these guys not be considered a threat to others? They just had a moving shootout on a highway with children in both cars. > [@jnglmassiv](#): > > bodycam vid from a responding officer: > > [reddit.com: over 18?](https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/y4mfjj/two_florida_fathers_shoot_each_others_daughters_5/) That guy was really helping out his wounded daughter by still freaking out over the other driver. You’d think seeing your 14 year old daughter on the side of the road with a bullet in her side, being treated by a paramedic, would be your top concern. “I would never do anything to put my kids in danger” rings a little bit hollow when you have two kids with bullet holes in them. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/25 "2022-10-15T15:50:20Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If someone is acting crazy on the road, all I want to do is get away from them. Pull off to another road, slow down and let them pass, whatever. Exactly. Anyone tailgating me, I pull over and let them by because I’d rather have such an idiot ahead of me and pulling away than behind me threatening to ram into my car if heaven forbid I have to brake suddenly. Am I encouraging them to be arseholes? Probably, but there’s nothing I could safely do to change their behavior anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/26 "2022-10-15T17:55:46Z")
This type of behavior is why I no longer give people the finger for stupid shit. I just mutter imprecations and death wishes and move on. Like the man said: “Ya can’t fix stupid.” ---
**Author:** ![pullin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c57346/32.png) [@pullin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pullin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/27 "2022-10-15T19:26:55Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Exactly. Anyone tailgating me, I pull over and let them by because I’d rather have such an idiot ahead of me… Enraged tailgaters are an epidemic here (Texas). Add in the bullying tendencies of so many with pickups or large vehicles, and the road has become a threatening environment. Even trying to move out of their way can infuriate them, it seems. After the last time of bubba trying to enforce his interpretation of speed limits, I am installing dashcams. That is, after I finish learning about them. Like anything electronic, the array of options and features is confusing at first. Trying to find a product that detects impacts and automatically uploads the event to a server with no operator action. Also, one that responds to voice commands and with enough resolution to ensure plates are readable. I don’t trust anyone anymore, and I want recordings physically beamed away from the car asap, either on preselected events or my voice. Still not sure if such a product exists though. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/28 "2022-10-15T20:11:19Z")
I wonder if you can install a rear-facing camera as well. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/29 "2022-10-15T20:34:45Z")
You can cover your whole car in them if you want. There are models that run off a battery and save to local storage so they’re completely self-sufficient and can mount everywhere. It depends on how many cameras you want to deal with maintaining. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/30 "2022-10-15T20:44:06Z")
From watching many dashcam videos, rear-facing cameras are not uncommon. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/31 "2022-10-15T21:04:07Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > I wonder if you can install a rear-facing camera as well. Sure, I’ve done this. You just need to get key-switched power to it somehow (you can usually find something in the trunk). ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/32 "2022-10-15T21:26:37Z")
What is particularly odd about this story is that both shooters saw a police car and went to it voluntarily, apparently both thinking the cop would take their side. Unless they wanted the cop to administer first aid. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/33 "2022-10-15T21:35:21Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > Both men are out on bail. Are their licenses suspended? Or does that only happen after conviction? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![pullin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c57346/32.png) [@pullin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pullin)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/34 "2022-10-15T22:22:16Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > What is particularly odd about this story is that both shooters saw a police car and went to it voluntarily, apparently both thinking the cop would take their side. Am I the only one envisioning crying kindergarteners: “Miss Autumn, Miss Autumn… He hit me first!” ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2022, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/35 "2022-10-16T04:17:00Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Are their licenses suspended? Or does that only happen after conviction? ISTM entirely possible that a hearing on their _vehicular_ offenses has not yet happened. At least I would imagie the police/DA/courts would be giving priority to the armed assault part of the incident. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2022, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/36 "2022-10-16T04:20:22Z")
That’s what I was thinking too. I was looking to see if we temporarily suspend licenses of individuals charged with road rage but it’s not easy to look up as road rage isn’t a distinct offense in Florida. I would assume, however, the guns and possibly the cars have been siezed as evidence. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2022, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264/37 "2022-10-16T22:17:44Z")
> [@pullin](#): > > Am I the only one envisioning crying kindergarteners: “Miss Autumn, Miss Autumn… He hit me first!” Oh no, as soon as I started reading this, I thought about childish brain development. Or, as the song says: that only stupid people are breeding. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-dads-shoot-each-others-daughters-in-road-rage-incident/973264.md?page=1)