# Florida Deputy Fired Over Filthy Comments to Teen Rape Victim **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2013, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226 "2013-11-06T06:37:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/21 "2013-11-06T23:40:26Z")
> [@Sattua](#): > > Because police aren’t brutal and corrupt anywhere else in the world :rolleyes: You have recent cites from similar incidents in any other G-20\* countries perhaps? I did a Google search for “police anal search russia”, and curiously enough, the first hit was [this one](http://rt.com/usa/conviction-paralyze-administer-anal-probe-080/), courtesy of Russia Today. Subsequent pages of that search are devoted largely to discussion of the New Mexico incident. The first several pages of “police anal search china” also return no other incidents besides this one (or the one mentioned by RT). \*Anything goes in Saudi Arabaia - make it a G-19 for our purposes. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/22 "2013-11-07T00:05:51Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > You have recent cites from similar incidents in any other G-20\* countries perhaps? > > I did a Google search for “police anal search russia”, and curiously enough, the first hit was [this one](http://rt.com/usa/conviction-paralyze-administer-anal-probe-080/), courtesy of Russia Today. Subsequent pages of that search are devoted largely to discussion of the New Mexico incident. The first several pages of “police anal search china” also return no other incidents besides this one (or the one mentioned by RT). > > \*Anything goes in Saudi Arabaia - make it a G-19 for our purposes. You must suck at google. It took me roughly 30 seconds to find this: [Police Treatment of Journalist Prompts Outcry in France](http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2008-11-30/world/36860465_1_french-justice-police-treatment-body-cavity-searches) > [@cited article](#): > > By the time his ordeal ended five hours later, about 11:30 a.m. Friday, the journalist wrote, he had been manhandled, handcuffed, humiliated in front of his sons, twice forced to strip and submit to body cavity searches and interrogated without lawyers by an investigating magistrate – all over a two-year-old libel case. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/23 "2013-11-07T15:41:37Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > You must suck at google. It took me roughly 30 seconds to find this: [Police Treatment of Journalist Prompts Outcry in France](http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2008-11-30/world/36860465_1_french-justice-police-treatment-body-cavity-searches) #1. Unlike my two cites, both of which were in the news in the past 100 days, your cite is from 2008. #2. From your cite: "_“In 30 years, this is the **first time** I have heard of or seen such a thing,” said Jean-Paul Levy, one of the newspaper’s attorneys… In a statement, the group [Reporters Without Borders] said: “We are outraged by the unacceptable methods used against Vittorio de Filippis and their humiliating nature. Such a thing has **never before** been heard of in France. To treat a journalist like a criminal and resort to practices such as body searches is not only shocking but unworthy of French justice.”_ (emphasis added) While looking for stats on police brutality, I also came across [this article](http://rt.com/usa/us-germany-85-shots-022/), which interstingly notes: > [@](#): > > “Eighty-five shots: That’s the total number of bullets German police used in all of 2011, Der Spiegel reports. But what does it say when US cops use as much ammo to bring down one man as German cops need to keep the peace nationwide?” So, got anything else? Or is it just “USA! USA! USA!”? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/24 "2013-11-07T16:13:01Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > So, got anything else? Or is it just “USA! USA! USA!”? :dubious: I am not yelling anything close to “USA! USA!”, you idiot. I just find the claim that police brutality and misconduct _only_ happens in America laughable. It’s not like the rest of the word is all sunshine and rainbows. I also have the suspicion that any cite I throw out will be disqualified by you using moving goalpost criteria. But fuck it, this started about rape and police misconduct. You’re Irish. Why don’t you defend _your_ country’s piece of shit police reaction ([or rather cover up](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/27/world/europe/27ireland.html?_r=0)) over the last few decades of Catholic child rape? The Garda are the worst in the entire damn _world_ when it comes to looking the other way in a child sex abuse case. It makes me glad I don’t live in Ireland. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/25 "2013-11-07T16:40:25Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > I am not yelling anything close to “USA! USA!”, you idiot. I just find the claim that police brutality and misconduct _only_ happens in America laughable. I never made that claim. **Sattua** was the one who implied that US police forces were no better or worse than the rest of the world in regards to brutality (_“Because police aren’t brutal and corrupt anywhere else in the world. :rolleyes:”_). I drew exception to that, as I think that, relative to other wealthy, industrialized nations, US police forces are in fact more likely to engage in acts of brutality. > [@](#): > > It’s not like the rest of the word is all sunshine and rainbows. I also have the suspicion that any cite I throw out will be disqualified by you using moving goalpost criteria. And I have the suspicion that your nationalistic anger has you grasping at straws. > [@](#): > > But fuck it, this started about rape and police misconduct. You’re Irish. Nope. Born and raised in USA, spent my first 35 years there. I’ve lived here for nearly 8 years now. > [@](#): > > Why don’t you defend _your_ country’s piece of shit police reaction ([or rather cover up](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/27/world/europe/27ireland.html?_r=0)) over the last few decades of Catholic child rape? The Garda are the worst in the entire damn _world_ when it comes to looking the other way in a child sex abuse case. It’s not just An Garda Síochána that’s to blame for that ongoing scandal; it reached into Irish society as a whole: bureaucracy, teachers, church leaders, politicians, etc. I’m not defending that at all (and I’m not Catholic). But I don’t think you _really_ want to play “Well, Your Country Did This!” with me vis-a-vis Ireland. You will lose that game. > [@](#): > > It makes me glad I don’t live in Ireland. Cool. And stories like the OP make me glad I don’t live in America! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/26 "2013-11-07T17:13:37Z")
> [@Fuji](#): > > Cool. And stories like the OP make me glad I don’t live in America! 🙂 Thanks **Fuji** for picking up the gauntlet and doing it so articulately. I haven’t the stomach for it. ---
**Author:** ![Esco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9de053/32.png) [@Esco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esco)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/27 "2013-11-07T17:17:19Z")
> [@Sattua](#): > > Because police aren’t brutal and corrupt anywhere else in the world :rolleyes: Yeah, I would argue cops are much more corrupt in many other countries. The fact this cop was fired shows we still have decent law enforcement in North-America ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/28 "2013-11-07T17:34:50Z")
> [@Esco](#): > > Yeah, I would argue cops are much more corrupt in many other countries. And I would argue that cops are much _less_ corrupt (and brutal) in many other countries, particularly ones which the USA sees as its peers. > [@](#): > > The fact this cop was fired shows we still have decent law enforcement in North-America The fact that this cop was even allowed to be on the job to perpetrate the offense of which the OP accuses him shows that “North American” (come on, just say “American” - I doubt you’re also referencing Canadian cops) law enforcement has some serious problems. (from 2nd link in OP: ) > [@](#): > > The 10 News Investigators have learned Pinellas County Deputy Paul Martin is still on the force despite several Internal Affairs investigations that bring the deputy’s professionalism and ability to do his job into question. > > Martin is a decorated veteran deputy, but since 2009, Internal Affairs investigators have looked into charges that Martin was involved in domestic violence, false imprisonment, associating with a drug user, and lying to his superiors. > > Yet, Deputy Martin still has his badge and gun, and he’s still on the street. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/29 "2013-11-07T17:35:54Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#): > > Thanks **Fuji** for picking up the gauntlet and doing it so articulately. I haven’t the stomach for it. No problem. Thanks for the rejoinder which got this ball rolling, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![2gigch1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/2gigch1/32/3313_2.png) [@2gigch1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2gigch1)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/30 "2013-11-07T17:44:50Z")
Regarding the \*perception \*of corruption of police, government or anyone else in the United States: Unlike many other countries the United States has a free press with protections guaranteed under the First Amendment. Although these rights often result in stories being broadcast and published that annoy or shock the public, it also insures that the people in positions of power may have their illegal and corrupt actions brought to light. I am aware the press of many other nations are both powerful and aggressive as well, but if you are trying to say “I hear about more corruption there, thus there is more corruption” I would suggest you examine the relative power of the press in other places and their ability to deliver the same information before drawing that conclusion. For example I recently read about the terrible healthcare offered in Venezuela. I would not be surprised that examining the media reports from Venezuela and the US side by side you might conclude that healthcare is far worse in the US, assuming my estimate (admittedly a pure guess) of what the press is allowed to report there vrs what the press may report here. Or in short, beware equating reports of crime with acts of crime, for that depends on the ability to report more than the actual amount of crime. ---
**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/31 "2013-11-07T18:34:49Z")
> [@2gigch1](#): > > Regarding the \*perception \*of corruption of police, government or anyone else in the United States: > > Unlike many other countries the United States has a free press with protections guaranteed under the First Amendment. Although these rights often result in stories being broadcast and published that annoy or shock the public, it also insures that the people in positions of power may have their illegal and corrupt actions brought to light. > > I am aware the press of many other nations are both powerful and aggressive as well, but if you are trying to say “I hear about more corruption there, thus there is more corruption” I would suggest you examine the relative power of the press in other places and their ability to deliver the same information before drawing that conclusion. > > For example I recently read about the terrible healthcare offered in Venezuela. I would not be surprised that examining the media reports from Venezuela and the US side by side you might conclude that healthcare is far worse in the US, assuming my estimate (admittedly a pure guess) of what the press is allowed to report there vrs what the press may report here. > > Or in short, beware equating reports of crime with acts of crime, for that depends on the ability to report more than the actual amount of crime. So, by this you mean that Venezuela and the USA are peers - virtually of the same standard. Comparing the USA to a bum-fuck-backwards-pos country - go ahead, if this is the standard that the USA wants to compare itself to, next thing is Zambia, China, North Korea, etc…. Let’s see how the USA compares to other developed countries like Germany, UK, Sweden, France, Switzerland, etc… Sure there are fuckups by Europeen police aswell … 17 examples from the last 20 years in Europe vs 3785 in the USA from just last year… makes sense - Europe is fucked… better not do what they do – Europe is evil and they are all communists and fags – USA! USA! USA! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/32 "2013-11-07T18:54:52Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Europe is evil and they are all communists and fags – USA! USA! USA! Do you honestly think this is a remotely accurate representation of the sentiments of any poster in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![slumtrimpet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@slumtrimpet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slumtrimpet)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/33 "2013-11-07T19:06:56Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Do you honestly think this is a remotely accurate representation of the sentiments of any poster in this thread? I imagine you’ve heard of hyperbole. On the other hand, > [@](#): > > Because police aren’t brutal and corrupt anywhere else in the world :rolleyes: and > [@](#): > > I know it, what magical planet does slumtrimpet live in where assholes don’t abuse the power they are given? Cause it’s not on earth. > > OH I SEE! You live in Antarctica, right? do strike me as an accurate representation of sentiments. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/34 "2013-11-08T14:25:24Z")
> [@Esco](#): > > Yeah, I would argue cops are much more corrupt in many other countries. > [@Fuji](#): > > And I would argue that cops are much _less_ corrupt (and brutal) in many other countries, particularly ones which the USA sees as its peers. This seems perilously close to agreeing that US law enforcement is middle-of-the-pack. ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/35 "2013-11-08T15:02:40Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > This seems perilously close to agreeing that US law enforcement is middle-of-the-pack. Sure, if the “pack” includes Egypt, Myanmar, and Brazil. That’s some company you keep there, Uncle Sam. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![AnthonyElite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b487fb/32.png) [@AnthonyElite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnthonyElite)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/36 "2013-11-08T15:07:29Z")
This act about the USA being one big police state just gets old. I’ve lived in the US 26 years and have never had any life changing experiences with the police. Neither has anyone I know, that I am aware of. But so many people outside the US are so quick to call it a police state, etc etc. Corruption is everywhere. If you are foolish enough to think the grand majority of it is isolated in one country enjoy your fucking ignorance. Also… **USA! USA! USA!** ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/37 "2013-11-08T15:18:17Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Police in India handle rape investigations in a far more sensitive manner. > > > [@alessan](#): > > > > The police in India investigates rapes? No. (hyperbole) Which is a far more sensitive approach ---
**Author:** ![Fuji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@Fuji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuji)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/38 "2013-11-08T16:44:11Z")
> [@AnthonyElite](#): > > This act about the USA being one big police state just gets old. I’ve lived in the US 26 years and have never had any life changing experiences with the police. Neither has anyone I know, that I am aware of. But so many people outside the US are so quick to call it a police state, etc etc. Corruption is everywhere. If you are foolish enough to think the grand majority of it is isolated in one country enjoy your fucking ignorance. > > Also… > > **USA! USA! USA!** Good point. _Of course_, your immediate personal experience is wholly representative of the behaviors, attitudes, and experiences of 320 million fellow citizens. I also erred when I said that the USA was one big police state, containing the majority of the world’s corruption (well, I’m not actually sure I put forth either of those claims, but if you say so.) My bad. Please accept my most sincere apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2013, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/39 "2013-11-08T17:26:30Z")
> [@slumtrimpet](#): > > I imagine you’ve heard of hyperbole. I have, but it’s often hard to tell when something is hyperbole, and when its just a person acting like an idiot. > [@](#): > > On the other hand, > and do strike me as an accurate representation of sentiments. And now we now which one you are. ---
**Author:** ![Esco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9de053/32.png) [@Esco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esco)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2013, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226/40 "2013-11-10T01:42:20Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > This seems perilously close to agreeing that US law enforcement is middle-of-the-pack No, the US actually score low on corruption. They are ranked #19 in the world. See here: [http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2012/results/](http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2012/results/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-deputy-fired-over-filthy-comments-to-teen-rape-victim/673226.md?page=3)