# Florida Principal says he "can't say the Holocaust was real" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 8, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709 "2019-07-08T13:51:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/141 "2021-10-16T22:29:46Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I wasn’t talking about MY beliefs, but taking a stab at why the left hates Israel. **I’m the one defending them here** Bolding mine. Please stop. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/142 "2021-10-16T22:30:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > In fact, almost all the anti-semitism I have personally run into came from the progressive left, as a byproduct of their support for Palestinians and dislike of **Jews for their more capitalist nature.** Sam didn’t emphasize that part you bolded. You changed his quote. I don’t agree with him on this subject but it’s never cool to do that. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/143 "2021-10-16T22:33:59Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I wasn’t talking about MY beliefs, but taking a stab at why the left hates Israel. I’m the one defending them here. > > I was actually thinking about the state of Israel, which the progresdive left seems to hate. Yet you painted them broadly as anti-Semitic. I thought we’d moved past that old canard that any criticism of Israeli policy is anti-Semitic. That’s grade-school level argument. Get past it, please. And I don’t think “the Left” has any issue with certain Israeli policies that they wouldn’t have with apartheid practiced anywhere else. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/144 "2021-10-16T22:34:52Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Why is Israel so much worse than the rest? It’s not. Not surprisingly, your understanding of the progressive left is off base. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/145 "2021-10-16T22:35:00Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > > > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > > > > In fact, almost all the anti-semitism I have personally run into came from the progressive left, as a byproduct of their support for Palestinians and dislike of **Jews for their more capitalist nature.** > > Sam didn’t emphasize that part you bolded. You changed his quote. I don’t agree with him on this subject but it’s never cool to do that. Bolding part of a quote to show what specific part is the problem is a standard practice on this board. It’s far better than quoting the portion of the post without the context. It’s surprising that you’ve been here as long as you have and don’t know that Sure, it’s best to say you added the bold, but your response here is silly. No one thought Sam actually bolded that part of his quote. We all know it was just the part that Bo was responding to (well, except Sam who seemed to miss it until I made it explicit.) ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/146 "2021-10-16T22:39:45Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Sure, it’s best to say you added the bold, but your response here is silly. You are incorrect. It’s not “best” to say you added the bold, it is the established rule. Do not ever change a persons words in a quote box in any way whatsoever. Not silly at all. You’d be well-served to read up on the Board rules. God forbid you ever changed a quote of mine. > [@BigT](#): > > Bolding part of a quote to show what specific part is the problem is a standard practice on this board. I see this as insulting the moderators by saying they are not doing their job. Because if it was really “standard” then the Mods are missing a great deal. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/147 "2021-10-16T22:44:44Z")
When somebody (ok, **Sam** ) starts presenting opinions as facts and finding anything that tangentially sounds like maybe it might bolster his pre-conceived prejudices… WHY does everyone respond? It’s not like you’re going to change his mind, or have a reasonable dialog. But it seems like no one can just ignore him and get on with the topic… _sigh._ ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/148 "2021-10-16T22:49:46Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > [@BigT](#): > > > > The point is that you just revealed that you believe a bigoted stereotype about Jewish people. Claiming that “Jewish people are more capitalist” is just the “greedy Jew trope” > > I wasn’t talking about MY beliefs, but taking a stab at why the left hates Israel. I’m the one defending them here. If that’s what you mean, then you should say that. Nothing about the way you phrased that came across as what you thought progressives believed. It is a common form of bigotry on the right to argue that Jews are “more capitalist,” i.e. more into money, than other people. Hence it would have been entirely believable that you thought that, even if only subconsciously. This is why I so often overexplain, to avoid snafus like this. As for the answer to your question? It may seem like the left cares more about Israel, but it’s only because that’s the only one that the Right defends. It’s the only one that our policies directly prop up, rather than it just happening to trade with them. The US and Israel are allies in ways those other countries are not. Israel is also much easier to boycott than China or any of the oil-producing nations. It’s hard enough to check every single itme and make sure that none of them were in any way manufactured in China. And you try going out there and buying gasoline that didn’t involve imported oil from those countries. (Fortunately, there are some practices by progressives that can help: buying locally, using electric vehicles, and stuff like that.) Progressives hate Israel because it is an ethno-nationalist state that the US is buddy-buddy with. But that does not correlate with hating Jewish people, any more that hating China means we hate Chinese people. The old Christian adage is “hate the sin, not the sinner.” Progressives “hate the government, but not the people.” I think the latter is far more defensible. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/149 "2021-10-16T23:06:14Z")
It doesn’t. @Sam_Stone mistakes any criticism of Israel’s “defense” policy in re Palestine for “anti-Semitism.” > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > What I want to know is whether @Sam_Stone thinks that Jews have a capitalist nature. > > And for that matter, at this point, whether @CaptMurdock does. That falls more under @hajario’s “What has that got to do with the price of eggs?” question. I can’t speak for _everybody_ on The Left, but I do not hate capitalism _per se,_ just the unregulated worship of it above all other considerations, including democracy. > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > The antisemites on the left **use** the Israel/Palestinian conflict as the lens through which to legitimatize their hatred. They’re the one who want to quiz you on your thoughts about the middle east as soon as they learn that you’re Jewish to find out if you’re a “good one” or a “bad one.” Was this sarcasm? Sometimes it’s hard to tell… > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I was actually thinking about the state of Israel, which the progressive left seems to hate. I get that they don’t like the Palestinian situation, but there are a whole lot of displaced peoples around the world that the left cares much less about. **The Kurds, for example. Or the Uyghers in China.** How in Sam Hill would you know what I or anybody on “the progressive left” care about? When was the last time you had a discussion with a left-of-center individual about the Kurds or the Uyghers? (and BTW, where the hell were you when Trump left the Kurds high and dry…AGAIN?!?) If you’re going to stick your hand up my backside to make words come out of my mouth like Charlie McCarthy, do me the courtesy of treating me to dinner and a movie _first_. I despise cheap dates. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2021, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/150 "2021-10-16T23:47:36Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I’ve never fully understood the left’s antipathy to Israel, I’ve never understood why the right likes to adopt puppies from the SPCA, and then sodomize them to death. So I guess we’re even. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/151 "2021-10-17T00:29:14Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Well you see, if you disagree with some of Israel’s policies you’re anti-Semitic Not if one does so by disagreeing with Israel’s policies. If one does so by conflating Israel’s policies with Jews in general, then yes, that person probably is antisemitic. > [@CaptMurdock](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > What I want to know is whether @Sam_Stone thinks that Jews have a capitalist nature. > > > > > And for that matter, at this point, whether @CaptMurdock does. > > That falls more under @hajario’s “What has that got to do with the price of eggs?” question. I can’t speak for _everybody_ on The Left, but I do not hate capitalism _per se,_ just the unregulated worship of it above all other considerations, including democracy. That’s not what I asked. I asked whether you think Jews have a capitalist nature. Not whether you were in favor of or opposed to capitalism, which has nothing to do with the price of these particular eggs. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/152 "2021-10-17T00:41:00Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > That’s not what I asked. I asked whether you think Jews have a capitalist nature. Not whether you were in favor of or opposed to capitalism, which has nothing to do with the price of these particular eggs. They might. I don’t really know. I’m reminded of the old joke about the Jewish farmer, and by “farmer” I mean had a postage stamp of a field and a shack for a house. A friend of his came to visit and noticed there was a lot of anti-Semitic literature lying about - tracts stating "The Jews are doing _this,_ the Jews are doing _that._ “Why do you read such trash?” the friend asks. The farmer, who has neither A Pot Nor A Window, replies, “So I know how powerful I am!” ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/153 "2021-10-17T00:43:49Z")
You think Jews in general have similar economic opinions? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/154 "2021-10-17T00:54:12Z")
Holy cow; do you have a screw loose or what? ETA: Because I’m such a swell guy, I already accept your apology. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/155 "2021-10-17T01:21:06Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Holy cow; do you have a screw loose or what? Now you got me worried for my memory 🙃. Did Sam actually bold that and I was mistaken about you changing his quote? I will apologize if so… I’ll re-check presently… ETA: No. He didn’t. You changed his post. I believe the apologies are all yours. Two of them. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/156 "2021-10-17T01:43:22Z")
Go read my post above where I quoted him. I pre-accept both of your apologies. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/157 "2021-10-17T01:56:21Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Go read my post above where I quoted him. Shit. I read it carefully (I thought) the first time, and carefully (I thought) the second time. I missed it both times. You have my apology. I think I expected to see it as a note directly after the quote and didn’t see it there. I guess I wasn’t so careful. Still, it seems to be SDMB “best practice” to put the note directly following the quote probably to avoid mistakes like the one I just made. But you were right. You did refer to your bolding. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/158 "2021-10-17T02:01:26Z")
And to think, when freeing the camps Eisenhower had it filmed as documentation so no one could deny it happened. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/159 "2021-10-17T02:13:08Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > And to think, when freeing the camps Eisenhower had it filmed as documentation so no one could deny it happened Everyone knows Ike was an notorious pinko Commie\* and he had the films faked. They were shot on the same soundstage that the fake moon landing was. If you look real careful-like you can even see the lunar landing module and a teen-aged Stanley Kubrick in some of the WWII newsreels. And haven’t had your mind poisoned by the COVID vaccine. \*Ike would seriously be considered to be at the far, far left of today’s American political landscape. ETA: if I wasn’t so busy I’d start a thread: **“Reagan, Eisenhower and Nixon: Executed On 1/6/2021, or Merely Tortured and Sent to Gitmo Forever?”** ---
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