# Florida Principal says he "can't say the Holocaust was real" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 8, 2019, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709 "2019-07-08T13:51:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/161 "2021-10-17T04:08:30Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > > [@CaptMurdock](#): > > > > It might have far more to do with Israel’s hardline “best defense is a good offense” indiscriminate use of weapons against Palestinian civilian populations. > > What exactly the fuck does this have to do with Jews in America? My sense is that **Sam\_Stone** ’s characterization of progressives’ “antisemitism” is based primarily on the fact that progressives are willing to criticize Israel when they perceive Israel’s actions against Palestinians as being outside the bounds of acceptable state behavior. And when you’re antisemitic, it doesn’t matter _where_ the Jews are; it only matters that they’re being Jews. Sure, it’s un-nuanced and simplistic to the point of self-parody, but when an opportunity to hurl invective at “leftists” presents itself, whaddya gonna do, _NOT_ hurl invective? To be sure, I don’t actually read enough of Smilin’ Sam’s output to definitively pin the above attitude on him, but what little I HAVE read hasn’t ruled it out. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/162 "2021-10-17T04:43:41Z")
Here is an idea. In order to find out whether antisemitism is more of a problem on the left of the right, why don’t we ask the Jews themselves, after all they are the ones who are experiencing it first hand. > **[The State of Antisemitism in America 2020: AJC's Survey of American Jews](https://www.ajc.org/AntisemitismReport2020/Survey-of-American-Jews)** > > The State of Antisemitism in America 2020: Survey of American Jews, conducted by the research company SSRS, is based on telephone interviews carried out September 9 - October 4, with a national sample of 1,334 Jews over age 18. The margin of error is... To what extent, if at all, do you think the Democratic Party holds antisemitic views? A lot: 11% Some: 26% Not much: 32% Not at all: 29% To what extent, if at all, do you think the Republican Party holds antisemitic views? A lot: 27% Some: 42% Not much: 13% Not at all: 15% How much of an antisemitic threat does the extreme political left represent in the United States today? Very serious threat: 16% Moderately serious threat: 16% Slight threat: 29% No threat at all:36% How much of an antisemitic threat does the extreme political right represent in the United States today? Very serious threat: 49% Moderately serious threat: 26% Slight threat: 14% No threat at all: 8% And for comparison: In your view, how much of an antisemitic threat does extremism in the name of Islam represent in the United States today? Very serious threat: 27% Moderately serious threat: 26% Slight threat: 32% No threat at all:13% I’d also point out that the title of this thread refers to Holocaust denial. Not defund Israel. So we are really talking apples and hand grenades here. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/163 "2021-10-17T05:22:42Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Not if one does so by disagreeing with Israel’s policies. If one does so by conflating Israel’s policies with Jews in general, then yes, that person probably is antisemitic. I think you missed the sarcasm there. Especially in the next line. BTW, Sam ignores that Israel has had a far right government for years, and maybe some of our opposition to “Israel” isn’t opposition to Israel at all but opposition to Netanyahu. I didn’t consider a European opposed to action of the Trump Administration as being anti-American. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/164 "2021-10-17T05:33:50Z")
When I was an undergraduate, I took several anthropology courses (it was my minor) that were also part of the Middle East Studies program. Most of the students I ran into who were part of the program really, really hated Israel. They were more than happy to talk about Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, etc., etc., but for the most part Israel didn’t exist to them unless they were badmouthing it. And it was odd, because they were willing to ignore any criticism about predominantly Muslim countries in regards to their governments or culture but were ready to pounce on Israel at any opportunity. Maybe it was less to do with anti-Semitism and more to do with the youthful vigor of fighting the good fight. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/165 "2021-10-17T05:54:50Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > When I was an undergraduate, I took several anthropology courses (it was my minor) that were also part of the Middle East Studies program. Most of the students I ran into who were part of the program really, really hated Israel. They were more than happy to talk about Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, etc., etc., but for the most part Israel didn’t exist to them unless they were badmouthing it. And it was odd, because they were willing to ignore any criticism about predominantly Muslim countries in regards to their governments or culture but were ready to pounce on Israel at any opportunity. Maybe it was less to do with anti-Semitism and more to do with the youthful vigor of fighting the good fight. It’s possible to be bigoted against a country and its inhabitants. Israelis are not just “Jews who happen to live in Israel” - we’re a nation and culture unto ourselves, and someone can hate us without hating diaspora Jews. Still doesn’t make it right. To be truthful, I’m not sure it makes much of a difference to me whether someone wants to kill me because I’m a Jew, or someone wants to kill me because I’m Israeli. Dead is dead. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/166 "2021-10-17T06:31:22Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > hey just took banking jobs because Christians at the time wouldn’t. “couldn’t” is perhaps more accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Novelty\_Bobble](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Novelty\_Bobble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Novelty_Bobble)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/167 "2021-10-17T12:04:05Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > ETA a while ago, I saw an interview with an American neo-Nazi. When the interviewer asked him what their plans were for the Jews, once the party came to power, he replied that they would be leaving, “one way or another”. I’m pretty sure he merely meant either by boat or place. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/168 "2021-10-17T12:23:16Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I was actually thinking about the state of Israel, which the progresdive left seems to hate. I get that they don’t like the Palestinian situation, but there are a whole lot of displaced peoples around the world that the left cares much less about. The Kurds, for example. Or the Uyghers in China. Somehow the Jews in Israel are the focus, Perhaps you could explain it to me. Huh, more than once I mentioned how the Uyghur situation was analyzed by critical race theorists (and the papers I cited in those discussions concluded that China is not kosher on how it treats that population) and as usual I get crickets from guys like you; it is crucial for you and others like you to willfully ignore that because, as usual, it shows that your narrative here is just bull crap. Also, a lot of criticism was directed at Trump and the Republicans for abandoning the Kurds in Syria. ---
**Author:** ![F.U.Shakespeare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/aca169/32.png) [@F.U.Shakespeare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/F.U.Shakespeare)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/169 "2021-10-17T12:37:55Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > They just took banking jobs because Christians at the time wouldn’t. And also because Jews were banned from many trade guilds. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/170 "2021-10-17T16:52:50Z")
I stand by my intention to accept your apologies even before you make them, which is prolly good considering that what you offer as an apology amounts to “I was wrong but it’s your fault.” It’s especially fucked up because you purport to be lecturing me, even in that last post, even in your fucking “apology”, on what proper board etiquette is. I’ll tell you what proper Straight Dope Message Board etiquette is: it’s not being a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/171 "2021-10-17T17:18:03Z")
TLDR: I’m sorry the bitch slammed her face right into my fist. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2021, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/172 "2021-10-18T14:29:28Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > The antisemites on the left **use** the Israel/Palestinian conflict as the lens through which to legitimatize their hatred. True. Anti-semites on the Right are prone to filter their bigotry through the lens of Biblical prophecy, which often results in (at least temporary) support of Israel. As for the Dope, things have gotten better over the years. It’s been a long time since we were treated to threads about how the Jooz control Hollywood through nefarious means, or Just Asking Questions about whether Jews fought for the U.S. in World War II. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/173 "2021-10-18T15:40:02Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Anti-semites on the Right are prone to filter their bigotry through the lens of Biblical prophecy, which often results in (at least temporary) support of Israel. For some, it’s that at this point in time, they hate Muslims _slightly_ more than they hate Jews, so they support Israel on the basis of what they perceive of an “enemy of my enemy” situation. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/174 "2021-10-19T02:34:57Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > A top administrator with the Carroll Independent School District in Southlake, Texas, warned teachers about having one-sided books about the Holocaust in their classrooms. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Is there any evidence that this administrator is a conservative? There is substantial anti-semitism on the progressive left, especially among progressive African-Americans. And school administrators are much more likely to come from the left. […] > > And given that the school system now is about 90% Democrats, and that black anti-semitism is much more widespread and common than white anti-semitism, I’m not sure why anyone would assume that a school,admimistrator hinting at anti-semitism would be a white supremicist. > > That said, this particular guy could be on the right or the left. I haven’t seen any evidence suggesting his poliitcal orientation […] Sam, you seem to have conflated the Southlake TX school district curriculum director Gina Peddy, mentioned in MandaJo’s Oct. 15 post #87, with the Boca Raton FL principal William Latson, mentioned in Velocity’s 2019 post #3. [Gina Peddy AFAICT is white.](https://www.linkedin.com/in/gina-peddy-b4824233) > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Where are you getting this from? I have attended many evangelical/baptist churches, and never heard this. […] > > I went to evangelical chirches through my entire childhood and early teen years, including bible study classes and all the rest, and I have never heard that. […] > > So… I got curious and did some reading, and hoo boy Christians are all over the map on this. […] > > So ot looks like we are both right Well, “both” in the sense that you have now educated yourself on the subject sufficiently to agree with the people who were arguing against your initial stance that this was some kind of unheard-of fringe belief completely unrepresentative of Christianity or evangelical Christianity. Those people were indeed right. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/175 "2021-10-19T06:50:54Z")
3 posts were merged into an existing topic: [RangerLoops troll posts](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/rangerloops-troll-posts/952741/10) ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2021, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709/176 "2021-10-19T14:33:12Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Sam, you seem to have conflated the Southlake TX school district curriculum director Gina Peddy, mentioned in MandaJo’s Oct. 15 post #87, with the Boca Raton FL principal William Latson, mentioned in Velocity’s 2019 post #3. [Gina Peddy AFAICT is white.](https://www.linkedin.com/in/gina-peddy-b4824233) Pretty sure he just read the OP, which he didn’t see before, and starting riffing off that without ever reading the discussion or the update. He just wanted to talk about black people/liberals being the real antisemites. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-principal-says-he-cant-say-the-holocaust-was-real/836709.md?page=8)