# "Florida Schools Will Teach How Slavery Brought ‘Personal Benefit’ to Black People" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304 "2023-07-20T14:46:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/221 "2023-07-31T23:06:45Z")
It’s pretty despicable to put a positive spin on something that should rightfully be the subject of horror movies. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2023, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/222 "2023-07-31T23:21:28Z")
And to no one’s surprise (at least those with a brain). > **[‘I’m not wanted’: Florida universities hit by brain drain as academics flee](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/30/florida-universities-colleges-faculty-leaving-desantis)** > > Ron DeSantis’s slew of laws attacking teaching of race and gender issues sees state’s colleges struggle to fill faculty posts ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/223 "2023-08-01T00:30:05Z")
Well, that will make it easier to fill those faculties with propagandists – er, correct-thinking indoctrinators of Florida youth. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/224 "2023-08-01T00:35:17Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > It’s pretty despicable to put a positive spin on something that should rightfully be the subject of horror movies. Clearly you enjoyed a blissful ignorance of PragerU up until this point. Here’s a few deconstructions of PragerU videos from years ago: > **[How PragerU Lies to You: Charlottesville](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T45Sbkndjc%2F)** > > Trump did call neo-nazis very fine people. He just lied about them not being neo-nazis.content warning: racist slurs, scenes from far-right rallies, etcConta... > **[How PragerU Lies to You - The British Empire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HurC8aTsVCE%2F)** > > The British Empire ... was bad!PragerU channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZWlSUNDvCCS1hBiXV0zKcAPragerU British Empire video:https://www.youtube.com/w... > **[How PragerU Lies to You](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM7BgrddY18%2F)** > > Peak flower. Fear it.PragerU Channel:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZWlSUNDvCCS1hBiXV0zKcAhttps://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/prager-univ... > **[The Death Penalty feat. PragerU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L30_hfuZoQ8%2F)** > > Sequelae?Content warning: violence, sexual assaultPragerU video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dnVZibrV6gPeterson & Rubin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v... ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/225 "2023-08-01T01:24:01Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Well, that will make it easier to fill those faculties with propagandists – er, correct-thinking indoctrinators of Florida youth. “Slavery wasn’t so bad! Would you like to know more?” ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/226 "2023-08-01T01:33:02Z")
18 freaking years ago, I posted [this thread about Christian high schools in California suing the state universities for not recognizing their bogus diplomas](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/chrisitan-high-schools-suing-the-university-of-california/319669). This is the path Florida has chosen, but a different battlefield of the same war. I’m sorry for the California students back then whose parents inflicted non-education on them and I’m sorry for the non-education Florida’s current and future students will be receiving. I do not see any reason, though, for universities outside of Florida (because, I have no doubt, the state will order Florida universities to accept all Florida high school diplomas no matter how ~~shitty~~ ~~anti-woke~~ lacking in academic rigor) to accept those diplomas as qualifying. It’s quite simple, IMHPO\*, if the student has not received the preparatory education required to begin college level work, then the student is not qualified to begin such work and fuck the government that ensured they did not receive that education. Given Florida’s demographics, I’d think it would be in their best interests to ensure a well-educated rising generation. But what do I know? \*_In My Humble Pitesque Opinion_ ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/227 "2023-08-01T01:39:58Z")
I know I have said it before (somewhere)… I really hope universities give applicants from Florida extreme scrutiny. They have good reason to believe their education sucks. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/228 "2023-08-01T01:44:31Z")
I foresee that scrutiny being: Florida? Rejected. Next applicant! But, not to worry, Floridians. There will certainly be other states in the Confederacy where you can send your ignorati for further ~~brainwashing~~ ~~indoctrination~~ larnin’. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/229 "2023-08-01T14:53:04Z")
How about “Florida? OK; but the first courses you take will be the remedial history and science courses.” Some of those kids will be redeemable. And then either they won’t go back home ( = less Florida population = fewer Florida representatives in Congress); or they will go back home but won’t vote and behave in the ways their state tried to indoctrinate them into. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/230 "2023-08-01T14:55:53Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > “Slavery wasn’t so bad! Would you like to know more?” It’s an ugly planet. A prager planet. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/231 "2023-08-02T05:16:26Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > How about “Florida? OK; but the first courses you take will be the remedial history and science courses.” Remedial courses cost money to offer. The more students who require it, the more they’ll cost. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 8:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/232 "2023-08-02T08:53:49Z")
I get that reference. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/233 "2023-08-02T12:53:35Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > How about “Florida? OK; but the first courses you take will be the remedial history and science courses.” > > Remedial courses cost money to offer. The more students who require it, the more they’ll cost. True. But colleges have been having to offer remedial English courses for many years now, whether under that name or just in effect as English courses teaching what should have been learned in high school. And those of the students who can afford it can be charged for the courses. Plus which, it seems a lot more fair than ‘oh, you were unlucky enough to be born in Florida? No decent college for you ever, then!’ ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/234 "2023-08-02T13:00:11Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Plus which, it seems a lot more fair than ‘oh, you were unlucky enough to be born in Florida? No decent college for you ever, then!’ Oh I dunno…I think that is what Florida state universities should be for. No reason everyone else should have to deal with them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/235 "2023-08-02T13:33:43Z")
There’s a difference between a remedial course and taking remedial everything. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/236 "2023-08-02T16:22:29Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > > > Yes, you are correct that Judaism says that only people with Jewish mothers are Jewish by birth. > > IIRC, not all branches of Judaism adhere to that rule. “Judaism” doesn’t say anything-- some document within Judaism says, and if it has authority, it will be one of a few important documents. Some of them conflict. Denominations of Judaism don’t necessarily follow traditions on a national level-- there is permission for individual congregations to follow them or not, as they choose, and still remain in good standing with the national organization. Right now, all but the denominations one could fairly term “Orthodox” in some way are permitted to recognize patrilineal descent. You will still come across individual congregations that do not, but make infant conversions very easy. It’s Talmudic-- the Talmud being the go-to document for pretty much anything-- that says Judaism is matrilineal (and no, it’s not just because you know who a kid’s mother is). The Talmud also outlines rules for conversion. But most importantly, it says that if someone _states_ he is a Jew he is not to be questioned. There’s nothing in the **Torah** that states who is or is not Jewish, and plenty of people there appear to be considered patrilinearly Jewish (the sons of Moses, for example). While not stated outright, the Torah talks as though anyone who takes up permanent residence in a Jewish land is subject to all Jewish laws-- ALL, fasting on Yom Kippur, and such, to which visitors are not subject, even long-term visitors, and that these permanent residents if they are pretty much culturally assimilated, are Jews. Back to your regularly scheduled thread. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/237 "2023-08-02T17:50:20Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > > Plus which, it seems a lot more fair than ‘oh, you were unlucky enough to be born in Florida? No decent college for you ever, then!’ > > Oh I dunno…I think that is what Florida state universities should be for. I said “no decent college”. I doubt that Florida state universities are going to be significantly better than their undergraduate schools. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/238 "2023-08-02T18:07:34Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > IIRC Israel’s Right Of Return doesn’t use just matrilineal descent either. Israel’s rules for the Right of Return deliberately include the Nazi criteria: If you’re Jewish enough to be persecuted for it, you’re Jewish enough to be protected from persecution. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/239 "2023-08-02T19:25:57Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Israel’s rules for the Right of Return deliberately include the Nazi criteria: If you’re Jewish enough to be persecuted for it, you’re Jewish enough to be protected from persecution. That, plus a modicum of outright lies, are why Russian Orthodoxy is flourishing in Israel now. Last time I was there, I spoke English, Hebrew and Russian in about equal parts to the people outside my seminar. Tons of signage in Russian, too, in major cities. I would wager if someone were even less Jewish than 1/4, but still persecuted, which is to say, if some country decided to define the Jewish equivalent of an octoroon-- and yes, I’m invoking that offensive term to show that it’s within the realm of possibility-- as a “Jew” under the law, and relegate those people to specific neighborhoods, have curfews for them, and limit the areas in which they could seek employment-- and make them move to the back of the bus-- Israel might revise the Law of Return. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 10:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/240 "2023-08-04T10:02:42Z")
And it begins: > **[Florida effectively bans AP Psychology course over LGBTQ content, College...](https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/florida-effectively-bans-ap-psychology-course-lgbtq-content-college-bo-rcna98036?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=64cc08cba74c5f000176cd17&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter)** > > The state’s decision to restrict AP Psychology comes several months after its decision to block AP African American Studies courses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304.md?page=13)