# "Florida Schools Will Teach How Slavery Brought ‘Personal Benefit’ to Black People" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 20, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304 "2023-07-20T14:46:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 11:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/241 "2023-08-04T11:28:58Z")
Ironically, ETS, which writes and scores the AP exams that College Board designs and supports, does the AP Psych grading in Flordia. Teachers in general and especially psych teachers are not happy about the idea of travelling to Flordia and spending money there. Its honestly sort of a problem because it takes years to move a scoring site: you have to rent a convention center that meets a lot of criteria, and related hotels. The reservation lag time is 2-3 years. I suspect they will put Psych in another of the scoring sites (there are 4) and move someone else to Tampa. But the problem is that it all jigsawed, so you have to swap a same size group or the whole thing falls apart. ETS usually releases scoring dates and locations a year in advance, but they haven’t this year. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/242 "2023-08-04T15:28:48Z")
How much time do they have? A year out you can often adjust the size of your event somewhat substantially. At least, that’s true for square dancing and puzzle events. It’s usually easier to drop space than add space, though, as hotels fill up. ---
**Author:** ![Biotop](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biotop/32/321_2.png) [@Biotop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biotop)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/243 "2023-08-04T16:03:57Z")
Tom the Dancing Bug has found a page from the new curriculum: > **[Cartoon: Florida's new African American History curriculum](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/8/3/2184767/-Cartoon-Florida-s-new-African-American-History-curriculum)** > > 👉 BUY THE NEW TOM THE DANCING BUG BOOK! ON THE TRAIL OF TOM THE DANCING BUG !   Information here. > > "Ruben Bolling's craft and commentary are as powerful and as pointed, as capable of making you ... ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/244 "2023-08-04T16:05:14Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > A year out you can often adjust the size of your event somewhat substantially. Not when you are grading AP tests. That group only gets larger as more and more students take the tests. I know the APUSH graders weren’t happy to be in Florida this year. If they move APPsych they’ll move APUSH as well. Might just pull all of them from the state and go someplace less benighted. West Virginia, maybe? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/245 "2023-08-04T16:11:21Z")
I suppose they haven’t announced the grading sites for next year because they are frantically looking for space in another state. Yeah, i can see the US history folks being uncomfortable in Florida, too. I assume that’s who APUSH is. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/246 "2023-08-04T16:16:41Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > It’s Talmudic-- the Talmud being the go-to document for pretty much anything-- that says Judaism is matrilineal (and no, it’s not just because you know who a kid’s mother is). The Talmud also outlines rules for conversion. But most importantly, it says that if someone _states_ he is a Jew he is not to be questioned. > > There’s nothing in the **Torah** that states who is or is not Jewish, and plenty of people there appear to be considered patrilinearly Jewish (the sons of Moses, for example). While not stated outright, the Torah talks as though anyone who takes up permanent residence in a Jewish land is subject to all Jewish laws-- ALL, fasting on Yom Kippur, and such, to which visitors are not subject, even long-term visitors, and that these permanent residents if they are pretty much culturally assimilated, are Jews. > > Back to your regularly scheduled thread. Yes, let’s not derail the thread with a discussion of George Santos. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/247 "2023-08-04T16:21:23Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > It’s Talmudic-- the Talmud being the go-to document for pretty much anything-- that says Judaism is matrilineal (and no, it’s not just because you know who a kid’s mother is). Then why matrilineal? Flipped a coin? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/248 "2023-08-04T16:29:43Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > it seems a lot more fair than ‘oh, you were unlucky enough to be born in Florida? No decent college for you ever, then!’ A special program to help groups of people who have suffered disadvantages through no fault of their own catch up and achieve equality with everyone else? That’s outrageous and un-American! Republicans would never stand for it! What’s that you say? This program benefits white people? In that case, Republicans demand this program so that their constituents will receive the rights they are entitled to! ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/249 "2023-08-04T16:38:09Z")
It is sad to suggest that growing up in Florida is a disadvantage the rest of us need to help them with. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/250 "2023-08-04T16:41:44Z")
But watch the lawsuits fly when Florida kids start getting denied by prestigious universities. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/251 "2023-08-04T16:45:33Z")
As conservatives love to keep telling us, LGBTQ is not a protected class. We can likewise point out that being from Florida is not a protected class. Discriminate away. ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/252 "2023-08-04T17:07:57Z")
Not supposed to derail the thread ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/253 "2023-08-04T17:11:42Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > It is sad to suggest that growing up in Florida is a disadvantage the rest of us need to help them with. Sad, but very likely to be true. For now, anyway. We can hope that enough of the citizens come to their senses. The state of their pocketbooks may be of some help. But I wouldn’t count on it. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/254 "2023-08-04T17:14:40Z")
Unfortunately they’re more likely to double down on their anti-woke crusade out of resentment at those stinkin’ elitist libs looking down on them like that. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/255 "2023-08-04T17:23:05Z")
So the only hope is a couple of Category 6 hurricanes? That seems kind of…bleak. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/256 "2023-08-04T17:58:33Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > But watch the lawsuits fly when Florida kids start getting denied by prestigious universities. I’m speculating that if it gets to the point where other states start refusing to accept Florida high school diplomas as adequate, conservatives will file lawsuits based on the full faith and credit clause and conservative judges will rule that other states have to accept them. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/257 "2023-08-04T18:04:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > conservatives will file lawsuits based on the full faith and credit clause and conservative judges will rule that other states have to accept them. I’m sure you are right, but what if the students are rejected because their school fails to meet some criteria X rather than because they are from Florida? And it just so happens that Criteria X is illegal to fulfill in Florida? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/258 "2023-08-04T18:09:52Z")
I don’t think “full faith and credit” will apply at all. Unless Florida decides to unilaterally declare all their 18 year olds “high school graduates.” But, as mentioned above, being an idiot from Florida is not a protected class. So fuck 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/259 "2023-08-04T18:16:29Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I’m sure you are right, but what if the students are rejected because their school fails to meet some criteria X rather than because they are from Florida? And it just so happens that Criteria X is illegal to fulfill in Florida? Which sounds more likely? “I’m a Republican. Other people warned me about the long term negative consequences of my actions but I ignored them. Now those consequences have arrived and are undeniable. So I need to acknowledge that those other people were right and I was wrong and then to follow through by changing my behavior.” “I’m a Republican. Other people warned me about the long term negative consequences of my actions but I ignored them. Now those consequences have arrived and are undeniable. Because those other people told me about those consequences, they are associated with them in my mind. So I blame those other people for the consequences. I will use my control over the political system to protect me from what I see as an attack against me. I was right before and I am right now and I will always be right in the future.” ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304/260 "2023-08-04T18:18:36Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I was right before and I am right now and I will always be right in the future. Indeed. “If objective reality disagrees with me, fuck objective reality. I’m still right and I’ll attack anyone who thinks otherwise.” The malignant and deadly serious version of Adam Savage’s joking “I reject your reality and substitute my own.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/florida-schools-will-teach-how-slavery-brought-personal-benefit-to-black-people/987304.md?page=14)