# fluiddruid, we're allowed to trim quotes **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [October 28, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666 "2010-10-28T15:33:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/41 "2010-10-28T20:20:46Z")
Throw me in with those who say “There were allegations”. It is Deadzone who alleged. Oh, sure, it may not be true, and nobody **else** is alleging it, but things don’t have to be true to be allegedly true. And so, to sum up: 1. **Dio** is wrong. 2. **Dio** was allowed to hijack that topic over something silly. 3. This topic is being hijacked by the same silliness. 4. Yes, I know I just contributed to the silliness. 5. As for the original reason for this topic, I think everyone should just be more wary of how they edit quotes, especially when taking something out (although that issue has seemed to take a backseat in this thread over the definition of “alleged”). I think that covers all bases. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/42 "2010-10-28T20:31:01Z")
Well and truly captured, I think, **Idle Thoughts**. > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What can’t be concluded is that I’ve actually done that, just like the Deadspin article can’;t be used to prove that Sterger made any allegations against Brett Favre. That Deadspin _says_ made these claims is not in question, but that is not equivalent to concluding that she actually made allegations. I understand that it isn’t proof that you did it. I’m asking you whether or not it’s a claim on my part that you did. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/43 "2010-10-28T20:37:46Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Do you get it now ? I was hoping that would happen. The thing is, your quote is a fair one. I said that. It’s clear by convention and from the lack of context that you’re quoting a part of my statement, presumably to quibble with me about that specific part of the statement. You’re not being unfair to me unless, based on the selective quote, you ascribe a conclusion to me that wasn’t actually my conclusion. In that case, though, you’d have to be actively misrepresenting me, which you weren’t. And neither was the post that started all of this. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/44 "2010-10-28T21:02:47Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > That, in itself, is an allegation. No, that’s a citable fact. > [@](#): > > Things that are alleged are called allegations. That is the (only) point being made. Everything beyond that is your paranoia to losing an incredibly minor point in a much larger discussion. The allegation that Sterger said these things is a _separate_ from what they are saying she alleged. They are not equivalent. Deadspin saying A said B is not equivalent to Deadspin saying B. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/45 "2010-10-28T21:03:05Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I was hoping that would happen. The thing is, your quote is a fair one. I said that. It’s clear by convention and from the lack of context that you’re quoting a part of my statement, presumably to quibble with me about that specific part of the statement. You’re not being unfair to me unless, based on the selective quote, you ascribe a conclusion to me that wasn’t actually my conclusion. > > In that case, though, you’d have to be actively misrepresenting me, which you weren’t. And neither was the post that started all of this. I figured your post was a set up. It was too easy. I also figured you wouldn’t report my SDMB rules infraction, and believe me, given my record and popularity with a good number of mods, there was a risk. But lets be clear. An allegation of an allegation is not what the OP intended to represent with his post. Clearly the quotee takes issue with the edited post and the compromised inference that it represents. The fact that you do not take issue with my false inference of your post in no way legitimizes my misrepresentation of your statement. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/46 "2010-10-28T21:05:41Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Well and truly captured, I think, **Idle Thoughts**. > > I understand that it isn’t proof that you did it. I’m asking you whether or not it’s a claim on my part that you did. That is not analogous to my point. I am not denying that Deadspin ALLEGES that Sterger made allegations. That does not mean that Deadspin itself is making those allegations, nor is it proof that Sterger did. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/47 "2010-10-28T21:08:00Z")
The bottom line is that the OP edited my post so as to attribute a claim to me that I did not make. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/48 "2010-10-28T21:26:39Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > The allegation that Sterger said these things is a _separate_ from what they are saying she alleged. They are not equivalent. Deadspin saying A said B is not equivalent to Deadspin saying B. No one is arguing that, Dio. Go take a nap. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/49 "2010-10-28T21:34:07Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > No one is arguing that, Dio. Go take a nap. If not, what are they arguing ? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/50 "2010-10-28T21:36:25Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > If not, what are they arguing ? That things that are alleged are called “allegations”. No more, no less. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/51 "2010-10-28T21:52:51Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > That things that are alleged are called “allegations”. No more, no less. Hey, I agree with that. That is not what the argument is about however. If I refer to an incident, I would hope we all know exactly which incident I’m refering to. All incidents are not the same. Is that clear ? ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/52 "2010-10-28T21:59:16Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > That things that are alleged are called “allegations”. No more, no less. Blink. Your point is that at some time in history, someone has alleged something? That’s true, but not immediately relevant to the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2010, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/53 "2010-10-28T22:26:25Z")
Well, not having ever seen Deadspin, all I have to go on is **Dio** ’s allegation that Deadspin alleges that Sterger made allegations. For all I know **Dio** may have misread. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/54 "2010-10-29T00:46:45Z")
Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/55 "2010-10-29T18:25:28Z")
I’m with \*\*Dio \*\*on this one. If X says someone made allegations about Y, that in no way justifies the statement that someone made allegations about Y. It only justifies the statement that X made allegations about someone. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/56 "2010-10-29T18:34:54Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > I’m with \*\*Dio \*\*on this one. If X says someone made allegations about Y, that in no way justifies the statement that someone made allegations about Y. It only justifies the statement that X made allegations about someone. Correction - you’re with EVERYONE on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/57 "2010-10-29T18:48:15Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Correction - you’re with EVERYONE on that one. The statement “I’m with Dio on this one” is a correct statement, and therefore need not and cannot be corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/58 "2010-10-29T18:51:37Z")
Only **Dio** isn’t claiming that, **Contrapuntal**. Everyone else is. **Dio** is claiming the opposite of what you said. So you’re with everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/59 "2010-10-29T18:52:43Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > Only **Dio** isn’t claiming that, **Contrapuntal**. Everyone else is. **Dio** is claiming the opposite of what you said. So you’re with everyone else. Then I have either misunderstood or I have stated my position poorly. Upon review : It appears that\*\* Ellis Dee\*\* is arguing that Deadspin’s allegations about someone are allegations about Favre. I contend that they are not, and it appears that \*\*Dio \*\*does as well. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2010, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666/60 "2010-10-29T18:55:54Z")
Dio is saying nobody alleged anything against anyone (as far as I know). You have said someone alleged something against someone. Seems to me to be opposites. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluiddruid-were-allowed-to-trim-quotes/558666.md?page=4)