# Fluoride - Pineal Gland blocker? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 30, 2012, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178 "2012-08-30T19:03:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/41 "2012-08-31T05:19:15Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > You can taste the difference? I thought it was only at such minor trace levels that no one would notice. > > (Well, don’t look at me: I can’t tell the difference between “good” black pepper and the cheap stuff, or between “good” black tea and the cheap stuff!) psst it’s dearer and comes in a fancy pack…that’s it really.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/42 "2012-08-31T07:17:08Z")
> [@42fish](#): > > And DHMO is also in (horror of horrors) the public water supply! We’ve had DHMO _falling from the sky_ here, and the government knows it’s happening. What did they do? Weather forecasts, suggesting we carry an umbrella. Like _that’s_ going to help. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/43 "2012-08-31T07:24:59Z")
> [@thebizness](#): > > I’ve heard a vast collection of stories, studies and theories on this. > > I’m always initially a skeptic, but after becoming very interested in the human brain/pineal gland/higher consciousness, I found the studies to have some merit. What studies? Please cite a selection. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/44 "2012-08-31T07:40:48Z")
Serious question, bizness: - if you believe that some scientists are lying to you about the effects of fluoride, why do you trust other scientists who describe the function of the pineal gland? How do you distinguish between the lying scientists and the trustworthy scientists? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/45 "2012-08-31T09:41:44Z")
Also, -What’s the claimed pathology between fluoride and the pineal gland? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 9:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/46 "2012-08-31T09:53:52Z")
> [@thebizness](#): > > Has there been significant effects in which I can prove that Fluoride is a government administered brain clouder? No. However, I can say that I am in a much more spiritually sound place than I was two years ago. I also remember my dreams more often than in the past and have lucid dreams from time to time. My knowledge of meditation and consciousness has obviously grown since then (through reading and research), but regardless: Fluoride, Why? It’s interesting that you seem to have no problem whatsoever believing that the pineal gland is some kind of spiritual seat when it’s just a few nutballs like Rick Strassman setting forth this tentative idea, while ignoring years of settled science and medicine that illustrate how fluoride hardens tooth enamel and prevents decay. And there’s simply nothing out there suggesting any pathology with flouride and the pineal gland. The only thing the two have in common is they’re popular things for nutballs to rave about. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/47 "2012-08-31T14:46:10Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > We’ve had DHMO _falling from the sky_ here, and the government knows it’s happening. Have you ever seen those white streaks behind high-flying jets? Those streaks are the chemical DHMO. Some call them “chemtrails.” ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/48 "2012-08-31T15:44:46Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Have you ever seen those white streaks behind high-flying jets? Those streaks are the chemical DHMO. Some call them “chemtrails.” I knew it had something to do with chemicals. I just knew it. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2012, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/49 "2012-08-31T16:37:09Z")
> [@thebizness](#): > > I can say that I am in a much more spiritually sound place than I was two years ago. How does moving out of New Jersey tie into the toothpaste thing?:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/50 "2012-09-01T04:04:07Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > How does moving out of New Jersey tie into the toothpaste thing?:dubious: Well, ya see, New Jersey has the Pine Barrens. Pine resin are used to make turpentine. Turpentine is an oil used in mixing or varnishes… or as a solvent… and… uuh… Yeh, I got nothing. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/51 "2012-09-01T07:34:12Z")
> [@thebizness](#): > > i just can’t see how one of the ingredients in rat poison is truly beneficial to humans. This kind of argument is also used to illustrate the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/52 "2012-09-01T07:54:05Z")
> [@clairobscur](#): > > This kind of argument is also used to illustrate the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide. Dihydrogen monoxide, better known as hydronium hydroxide, is certainly toxic. As shown [here](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate) it kills more people than all the usual “poisons” combined. As well as deaths by fire and lightning combined. And do note that hydronium hydroxide combines the most caustic substances in their purest forms: it is a 50-50 mixture of the ion that makes all acids acidic and the ion that makes all alkalis alkaline. Winston Churchill was so terrified of it, he usually diluted it before drinking it. ---
**Author:** ![Noel\_Prosequi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b19c9b/32.png) [@Noel\_Prosequi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noel_Prosequi)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/53 "2012-09-01T08:10:39Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > (snip) > > I am doing post-doctoral studies on the phenomenon known as crank magnetism, and so am interested in what **thebizness** thinks about aspartame, chemtrails, 9/11 and vaccines. Colour me fascinated! Can you post any of your researchy goodness yet? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/54 "2012-09-01T15:04:43Z")
> [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > Colour me fascinated! Can you post any of your researchy goodness yet? That’s just what the government _wants_ him to do, so they can lock in with their thermite stealth missiles! ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/55 "2012-09-01T15:24:36Z")
I don’t think **thebizness** is coming back. A shame. This was going to be good. ---
**Author:** ![pinkyvee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6de8d8/32.png) [@pinkyvee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pinkyvee)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/56 "2012-09-01T16:46:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > But no, fluoridation does not enable “control of the masses”. > > That’s _American Idol_. > > Regards, > Shodan You’re killin’ me \>\>\>\>\>\>\>\>:D ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/57 "2012-09-01T17:17:02Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > I don’t think **thebizness** is coming back. A shame. This was going to be good. Probably decayed due to lack of fluoride. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2012, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/58 "2012-09-01T19:09:50Z")
Considering what happened to Doctor Tillinghast when his pineal gland was awakened\*, I’d just as soon have mine sleep. - The case was reported on by Howard Philips Lovecraft. ---
**Author:** ![stw004](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@stw004](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stw004)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/59 "2012-09-02T02:45:33Z")
Relevant Cracked link: > **[The Shady Agendas Behind 5 Popular Conspiracy Theories](https://www.cracked.com/article_17439_the-shady-agendas-behind-5-popular-conspiracy-theories.html)** > > Do you ever wonder why some conspiracy theories, no matter how dumb they sound, seem to never die? Where do these things come from, anyway? > Well, it turns out that politicians have realized that in the Internet age, a good conspiracy theory can work... ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178/60 "2012-09-02T17:05:17Z")
> [@Noel\_Prosequi](#): > > Colour me fascinated! Can you post any of your researchy goodness yet? I cannot take the risk, for fear CIA operatives will attempt to drown me in wine. And with cheap Chianti too, not the good stuff. :mad: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fluoride-pineal-gland-blocker/633178.md?page=4)