# Foie gras: why force-feed the ducks? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [February 4, 2006, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013 "2006-02-04T19:27:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tellmei_mnotcrazy/32/3419_2.png) [@TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TellMeI_mNotCrazy)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/1 "2006-02-04T19:27:57Z")
It’s no secret that the (in my opinion) the wonderfully luscious treat known as foie gras is a result of the unglorious practice of force feed geese to engorge their livers. What I don’t know is why the engorged livers are necessary - do they taste much better because they’re so big? My only hunch is that the stomach can’t process any of the fat and so all the fat ends up in the liver, resulting in a better tasting liver. I have no idea if that’s accurate or not. So what’s the Straight Dope? Do force-fed geese have far better tasting livers than regular geese? ---
**Author:** ![TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tellmei_mnotcrazy/32/3419_2.png) [@TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TellMeI_mNotCrazy)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/2 "2006-02-04T19:29:16Z")
Yeah, I know I said ducks in the title, but that’s only because the cooking show currently on is discussing ducks. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/3 "2006-02-04T19:35:13Z")
Yep, it’s the fat. Fat tastes good. There’s a biological reason for that: Fat is an excellent, compact source of energy. In nature, when food sources can be scarce, eating fat can keep an animal alive. So, evolution “gave” carnivorous creatures a taste for fat, to ensure that when a source of fat is found, the animal will go for that first. Same thing with sweet, in fact. Sweet means sugar, and sugars mean lots of energy. In any case, geese won’t eat enough naturally to get a really fattened liver, so they have to be force-fed. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingRamenMonster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@FlyingRamenMonster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingRamenMonster)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/4 "2006-02-04T19:36:49Z")
My understanding is this: ducks and geese and migratory birds store fat in preparation for, well, migration. The process is a lot more reversible than in humans - stop feeding them and the fat will come off without permanent damage to the liver. But the more they eat the fatter the liver, and to get one up to foie gras standards requires a lot more eating than they’d naturally do. I’m sure **Blake** will be around soon with a much better explanation though… ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/5 "2006-02-04T19:37:00Z")
Noodling geese raises their liver [glycogen](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycogen) content. ---
**Author:** ![Cub\_Mistress](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea666f/32.png) [@Cub\_Mistress](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cub_Mistress)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/6 "2006-02-04T19:39:19Z")
I believe the point of force feeding geese is to enlarge the liver as much as 6 to 12 times the usual size, resulting in more foie gras. However, I also think the liver enlarges by the glycogen stored in it, so you may be right about that part, too. ---
**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2006, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/7 "2006-02-04T19:48:21Z")
[_Fois gras_ production](http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/foie+gras): > [@](#): > > The geese or ducks used in foie gras production are initially free range, feeding on grasses that toughen the esophagus. While still free roaming they are gradually introduced to a high starch diet that by itself leads to about half of the enlarged liver’s size. The next feeding phase, which the french call finition d’engraissement, or “completing the fattening process”, involves careful stuffing of feed into the bird’s throat through a metal pipe several times per day. This exploits a natural process through which geese and ducks store fat in their livers in preparation for winter migration. The feed, usually corn, causes large amounts of fat to deposit in the liver producing the buttery consistency. ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/8 "2006-02-06T17:45:57Z")
> [@TellMeI'mNotCrazy](#): > > So what’s the Straight Dope? Do force-fed geese have far better tasting livers than regular geese? Well, I’m no expert on liver function, but if you’ver ever tried eating chicken or lamb or calf liver (or probably pretty much any other kind of liver) they tend to be a bit ‘meatier’ and ‘drier’ than foie gras. The whole ‘meaty butter’ thing only comes from an exceptionally fatty liver (engorged to the point of pathology), and humans are generally the only beasties to do that to themselves voluntarily. Hence the neck tube for fowls. The terms are pretty self-explanatory really: foie gras - fat liver foie de canard - duck liver foie gras de canard - fatty duck liver foie gras d’oie - fatty goose liver You get a similar sort of thing with sashimi. The ‘fat tuna’ which I think is a belly cut is substantially different from the ‘lean tuna’ which I believe is a flank cut. It’s also much more expensive because of the taste benefits of all that lovely fat. mmmmmmmmmm 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/9 "2006-02-06T20:47:15Z")
I have heard that the force-feeding is considered cruel, and is illegal in the U.S. Is this true? > [@](#): > > posted by **Q.E.D.** > they are gradually introduced to a high starch diet that by itself leads to about half of the enlarged liver’s size. At this stage, how does it taste, compared with an ordinary bird, and compared with genuine _foie gras_? ---
**Author:** ![TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tellmei_mnotcrazy/32/3419_2.png) [@TellMeI\_mNotCrazy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TellMeI_mNotCrazy)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/10 "2006-02-06T20:59:50Z")
Wikipedia says it’s not illegal nationwide in the US yet, but will be soon: > [@](#): > > Foie gras is illegal in several locations, and legislation is pending in others. In August, 2003, the Supreme Court of Israel declared foie gras production to be animal cruelty, and made production illegal beginning in March, 2005. On September 29, 2004, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a law that will ban the production or sale of foie gras from force fed birds in the state by 2012. The law would allow foie gras produced by methods that are not considered animal cruelty. Similar legislation is pending in New York. California and New York are currently the only US states with foie gras industries. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/11 "2006-02-06T21:21:48Z")
> [@mbh](#): > > I have heard that the force-feeding is considered cruel, and is illegal in the U.S. > Is this true? It is not banned throughout the U.S. but some states have banned it. Anthony Bourdain has this to say in his book _A Cook’s Tour_: > [@](#): > > . . .I endured a. . .discourse and demonstration in the entire process of raising and feeding ducks and geese for fois gras. It was not as cruel as I’d imagined. . . .They are in fact, fed twice day, and each time a considerably lesser amount comparative to their weight than, say, a Denny’s Grand Slam Breakfast. . . .[The farmer] appeared to have a genuine affection for his flock, and, more often than not, the ducks would actually come to him when it was funnel time. He’s simply reach out an arm and they’d come no more reluctantly than than a child having his nose wiped by his mother. This description is of a local European (French, IIRC) farm, not a factory farm. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/12 "2006-02-06T21:32:47Z")
[hijack] Where and how in the U.S. can you get pate de foie gras d’oie? Or de canard? The “pate” I see for sale in the supermarket or liquor store is always made with pork liver. ---
**Author:** ![slaphead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@slaphead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slaphead)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2006, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/13 "2006-02-06T21:47:11Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [hijack] > > Where and how in the U.S. can you get pate de foie gras d’oie? Or de canard? The “pate” I see for sale in the supermarket or liquor store is always made with pork liver. Most ‘upscale’ or ‘gourmet’ food suppliers, I would guess, or online like [here](http://www.gourmetfoodstore.com/foiegras/french-foie-gras.asp?mscssid=V28GLX4GNXR09MR787UF7UG6JBV32G08) . Here in the UK you rarely see it in supermarkets (and even then only in the really top-end ones at special occasions such as christmas). You tend to have to go to really swanky delicatessens or specialist food-obsessive shops. It’s just not a mass-market item, because of the odd texture and the price. For which we can be profoundly grateful. If McDonalds were to sell it, people would be dropping like flies - the nutritional [numbers](http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-B00001-01c20En.html) are terrifying. I was lucky enough to live just up the road from [Comptoir Gascon](http://shopping.guardian.co.uk/food/story/0,1587,1646476,00.html) for a few years, which was handy for when I wanted to get the full French Gastro experience. Mmmmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/14 "2006-02-07T01:16:48Z")
As equally important as the fattiness part, force feeding removes the livery taste and all you get is wonderful meaty butteryness. As for whether it is cruel or not, you could probably debate that all day but I woul just like to point out that foie gras birds are probably some of the most well treated fowl in the world apart from the force feeding. Any stress or pain makes the liver work and produce byproucts which significantly lower the quality of the resulting foie and, hence, price. This is opposed to factory farmed chicken which live in much more deplorable circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/15 "2006-02-07T02:14:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [hijack] > > Where and how in the U.S. can you get pate de foie gras d’oie? Or de canard? The “pate” I see for sale in the supermarket or liquor store is always made with pork liver. I would try Dean & Deluca or Bristol Farms. ---
**Author:** ![CookingWithGas](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cookingwithgas/32/485_2.png) [@CookingWithGas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CookingWithGas)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2006, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foie-gras-why-force-feed-the-ducks/343013/16 "2006-02-07T04:05:08Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > foie gras birds are probably some of the most well treated fowl in the world apart from the force feeding. So, other than that, Mrs. Lincoln. . . .