# Folks, gun owners do not have to wear yellow stars in public. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 17, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602 "2013-05-17T15:07:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/21 "2013-05-17T18:41:15Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > So, the usual snide commentary on gun owners then… Along with the usual snide commentary _from_ gun owners, of course. Rarely(if ever) are the attacks from only one direction. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/22 "2013-05-17T18:43:04Z")
> [@Archaic\_Entity](#): > > Eloquent argument. > > Except for the fact that yes, indeed, CCW / license holders are being listed (sometimes publically) by address, or by neighborhood. > > In Indiana until a couple of years ago, you could obtain a list of persons who have current licenses to carry handguns (LTCHs) with relative ease. And local newspapers put up pages that allowed you to input an address and see how many people within that neighborhood had LTCHs. > > It’s not a crime to have a license, just as it’s not a crime to be Jewish. > > It’s a valid point, but you soundly rebuked it. Equating one with the other is obscene in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Archaic\_Entity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@Archaic\_Entity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archaic_Entity)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/23 "2013-05-17T18:50:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Equating one with the other is obscene in my opinion. I am not the one who drew the equation, neither are you. I am, however, capable of seeing their line of reason. Godwin notwithstanding, a lot of people are afraid that gun registration leads to gun confiscation. It’s how it’s worked in many previous countries that were free. I do, however, if I choose to carry, have to have on my person something that proves I have legally gone through all the steps necessary to exercise a right guaranteed to me by the 2nd Amendment. Which is a bit excessive, considering that no other right in the BoRs is really treated like that. The assumption is that I’m guilty of a crime until I prove myself innocent, which is very rude… and also in conflict with how our legal system is supposed to work. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/24 "2013-05-17T18:53:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Equating one with the other is obscene in my opinion. Would you want anyone to make snide remarks about your opinion in GD? Or is that reserved for the left? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/25 "2013-05-17T19:12:56Z")
I don’t mind snide comments, but I do mind that some here can not see the problem with equating the releasing of a few names of people that have a powerful lobby to support them with victims of The Holocaust, ridiculous “slippery slope” argument notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/26 "2013-05-17T19:12:58Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No, there isn’t. What are you talking about? 😕:mad:Do you deny there’s been “outing” of Gun owners, etc by the Media? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/27 "2013-05-17T19:19:25Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > What are you talking about? 😕:mad:Do you deny there’s been “outing” of Gun owners, etc by the Media? No-I am denying that any sane person could make a case that what is happening now could ever lead to anything resembling The Holocaust. There is no case-there is only shallow hysteria. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/28 "2013-05-17T19:33:52Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No-I am denying that any sane person could make a case that what is happening now could ever lead to anything resembling The Holocaust. There is no case-there is only shallow hysteria. I said nothing of the sort, nor did I draw any such parallel. There is legit concern that gun owners are being “outed” thus being made targets by burglars, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/29 "2013-05-17T19:36:34Z")
Good thing they have guns, then. ---
**Author:** ![Archaic\_Entity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@Archaic\_Entity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archaic_Entity)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/30 "2013-05-17T19:37:57Z")
First off, Americans are being outted constantly, as my previous post pointed out. And that is a legitimate concern. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > No-I am denying that any sane person could make a case that what is happening now could ever lead to anything resembling The Holocaust. There is no case-there is only shallow hysteria. So, you’re saying that when people provide examples from history, you’re calling them hysterical? > [@The Newtown Bee](#): > > Gun confiscation leads to genocide. Here are the historical facts. The following are “civilized” countries that confiscated guns from the populace and the resulting murders that followed: Turkey 1915-1917 1.5 million dead; Soviet Union 1929-1953 20 million dead; Nazi Germany 1933-1945 13 million dead; China 1949-1976 20 million dead; Guatemala 1960-1981 100,000 dead; Uganda 1971-1979 300,000 dead; Cambodia 1975-1979 one million dead. > > [http://www.newtownbee.com/news/0001/11/30/gun-confiscation-leads-genocide/13276](http://www.newtownbee.com/news/0001/11/30/gun-confiscation-leads-genocide/13276) As one example of someone pointing out facts. Is it because we’re more “civilized” like pre-WWII Germany and this can never be a possibility? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/31 "2013-05-17T19:39:11Z")
I would guess more so because gun registration and gun confiscation are different things. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/32 "2013-05-17T19:39:49Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I said nothing of the sort, nor did I draw any such parallel. > > There is legit concern that gun owners are being “outed” thus being made targets by burglars, etc. I’ll buy that it’s a legit concern when and if it ever happens in real life, and the reason was the gun owner was outed against his/her will and not because she/he told one and all that guns were there. Legit concerns have to have at least a smidgen of reality to base them on. ---
**Author:** ![Archaic\_Entity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@Archaic\_Entity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archaic_Entity)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/33 "2013-05-17T19:44:39Z")
> [@Archaic\_Entity](#): > > Eloquent argument. > > Except for the fact that yes, indeed, CCW / license holders are being listed (sometimes publically) by address, or by neighborhood. > > In Indiana until a couple of years ago, you could obtain a list of persons who have current licenses to carry handguns (LTCHs) with relative ease. And local newspapers put up pages that allowed you to input an address and see how many people within that neighborhood had LTCHs. > > It’s not a crime to have a license, just as it’s not a crime to be Jewish. > > It’s a valid point, but you soundly rebuked it. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’ll buy that it’s a legit concern when and if it ever happens in real life, and the reason was the gun owner was outed against his/her will and not because she/he told one and all that guns were there. Legit concerns have to have at least a smidgen of reality to base them on. I already pointed out that this does happen. I didn’t want to let anyone know that I may potentially own guns, but I was forced to by state law, and then local newspapers decided to put that information up against my will on their websites. When burglars put in an address and see that 8/10 houses have someone with a CCW/LTCH in them, then they know that breaking into any of those houses nets a potentially 80% chance of walking away with stolen guns. How is that not legitimate? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/34 "2013-05-17T19:48:15Z")
> [@Archaic\_Entity](#): > > So, you’re saying that when people provide examples from history, you’re calling them hysterical? > > As one example of someone pointing out facts. Is it because we’re more “civilized” like pre-WWII Germany and this can never be a possibility? The last time this gun control = Naziism idea came up, it was pointed out that the Nazis relaxed gun control in Germany. And if the government is actually coming to slaughter you, your guns won’t do you a bit of good. ---
**Author:** ![Archaic\_Entity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@Archaic\_Entity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archaic_Entity)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/35 "2013-05-17T19:50:47Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The last time this gun control = Naziism idea came up, it was pointed out that the Nazis relaxed gun control in Germany. > > And if the government is actually coming to slaughter you, your guns won’t do you a bit of good. I won’t argue the Nazi part anyway. Pre-WWII Germany was fairly civilized was my point. I’m not a fan of getting into Godwin-type arguments. And yes, that’s very true. But I find it hard to believe the government’s coming after just me. If so, then I did something awesome or terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/36 "2013-05-17T19:52:12Z")
> [@Archaic\_Entity](#): > > I already pointed out that this does happen. I didn’t want to let anyone know that I may potentially own guns, but I was forced to by state law, and then local newspapers decided to put that information up against my will on their websites. > > When burglars put in an address and see that 8/10 houses have someone with a CCW/LTCH in them, then they know that breaking into any of those houses nets a potentially 80% chance of walking away with stolen guns. > > How is that not legitimate? Did someone use that information to break into your home and steal your weapons? Do you have any stats that show that gun owners were more likely to have their homes broken into when their personal information was released to the public? Show me a solid connection that shows that one leads to the other. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/37 "2013-05-17T19:52:50Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > The last time this gun control = Naziism idea came up, it was pointed out that the Nazis relaxed gun control in Germany. But all in all. . .Nazis, right? ---
**Author:** ![Archaic\_Entity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@Archaic\_Entity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archaic_Entity)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/38 "2013-05-17T19:58:46Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Did someone use that information to break into your home and steal your weapons? Do you have any stats that show that gun owners were more likely to have their homes broken into when their personal information was released to the public? Show me a solid connection that shows that one leads to the other. You’re missing the point that you’re attempting to refute in the first place. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’ll buy that it’s a legit concern when and if it ever happens in real life, and the reason was the gun owner was outed against his/her will and not because she/he told one and all that guns were there. Legit concerns have to have at least a smidgen of reality to base them on. You wanted a real-life instance of peoples’ information being outed without their consent. I gave it to you. But to answer your questions. No, fortunately no one robbed me. And no, I don’t have any stats, and I highly doubt any are forthcoming. But, if I were an internet savvy criminal, and I had those tools as my disposal, would I use them? Yes. That’s good enough for me. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/39 "2013-05-17T19:59:25Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > But all in all. . .Nazis, right? Well, yes. It’s just that relaxing gun control meant that all those Jew-hating Nazi supporters were _better armed._ I note the near-universal assumption by people who think that the 2nd Amendment is some sort of defense against an evil government that the people with guns will be fighting against the evil government, and not for it. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/40 "2013-05-17T20:07:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Was he upset that he would be put into a concentration camp, or that someone might think he was Jewish? This is a woman who posted one of those memes comparing Obama to Hitler, and implying that people who support Obama are as brainwashed as the Germans were in the 1930s. Last time I checked, it’s not illegal to criticize the president. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602.md?page=3)