# Folks, gun owners do not have to wear yellow stars in public. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 17, 2013, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602 "2013-05-17T15:07:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/41 "2013-05-17T20:09:28Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > This is a woman who posted one of those memes comparing Obama to Hitler, and implying that people who support Obama are as brainwashed as the Germans were in the 1930s. > > Last time I checked, it’s not illegal to criticize the president. Anyone want to argue that this bullgoose loony was legitimate concerns? ---
**Author:** ![Archaic\_Entity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@Archaic\_Entity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archaic_Entity)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/42 "2013-05-17T20:19:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Anyone want to argue that this bullgoose loony was legitimate concerns? Now that we know what it was, no. But that doesn’t allay previously posted concerns. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/43 "2013-05-17T20:26:08Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Well, yes. It’s just that relaxing gun control meant that all those Jew-hating Nazi supporters were _better armed._ > > I note the near-universal assumption by people who think that the 2nd Amendment is some sort of defense against an evil government that the people with guns will be fighting against the evil government, and not for it. The people fighting _for_ the government will always have guns, that’s a perk of government power. Whether the guns are privately owned or issued by the government makes no difference. See the Rwandan genocide, where the [government armed the Interahamwe militia:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide#Preparations_for_the_genocide) > [@](#): > > The killing was well organized by the government. When it started, the Rwandan militia numbered around 30,000, or one militia member for every ten families. It was organized nationwide, with representatives in every neighborhood. Some militia members were able to acquire AK-47 assault rifles by completing requisition forms. Other weapons, such as grenades, required no paperwork and were widely distributed by the government. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/44 "2013-05-17T20:28:40Z")
> [@Archaic\_Entity](#): > > Now that we know what it was, no. > > But that doesn’t allay previously posted concerns. Does the fact that nobody seems to have data that shows that releasing the names of gun owners leads to increased break-ins to get their weapons? By the way, I am against the release of this information because it seems to be an invasion of privacy…but without some sort of factual cites that it leads to robberies for the purpose of stealing weapons I’m not going to take that particular slippery slope seriously. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/45 "2013-05-17T20:30:15Z")
> [@Human\_Action](#): > > The people fighting _for_ the government will always have guns, that’s a perk of government power. Whether the guns are privately owned or issued by the government makes no difference. See the Rwandan genocide, where the [government armed the Interahamwe militia:](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide#Preparations_for_the_genocide) Hm. And I thought the killing in that genocide was done mostly with machetes. ---
**Author:** ![Archaic\_Entity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@Archaic\_Entity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archaic_Entity)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/46 "2013-05-17T20:37:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Does the fact that nobody seems to have data that shows that releasing the names of gun owners leads to increased break-ins to get their weapons? By the way, I am against the release of this information because it seems to be an invasion of privacy…but without some sort of factual cites that it leads to robberies for the purpose of stealing weapons I’m not going to take that particular slippery slope seriously. I don’t have data for it. Why I doubt anyone does is because I find it unlikely that burglars are asked “did you get this information from a website”? And, likely, are rarely caught with the guns in question. In the criminal market, those guns are typically sold rather quickly. That’s why they would be targeted. They’re good money. But, I’ll be in a better position to research this in about 20-30 minutes, so I’ll see what I can’t find. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/47 "2013-05-17T20:44:12Z")
> [@Archaic\_Entity](#): > > I don’t have data for it. Why I doubt anyone does is because I find it unlikely that burglars are asked “did you get this information from a website”? And, likely, are rarely caught with the guns in question. In the criminal market, those guns are typically sold rather quickly. That’s why they would be targeted. They’re good money. > > But, I’ll be in a better position to research this in about 20-30 minutes, so I’ll see what I can’t find. You don’t need to get testimony from robbers. What would do it are statistics that show that gun owners whose names are released to the public have an greater burglary rate once those names are released. ---
**Author:** ![Human\_Action](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@Human\_Action](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Human_Action)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/48 "2013-05-17T20:46:25Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Hm. And I thought the killing in that genocide was done mostly with machetes. Machetes played a large part. And where did they come from? [Ex-Rwandan Pm reveals genocide planning](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3572887.stm) > [@](#): > > After combing through bank archives and government documents she reveals, for instance, that in 1993 the government of Rwanda imported, from China, three quarters of a million dollars worth of machetes. This was enough for one new machete for every third male. Point is, the government side will always be armed. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/49 "2013-05-17T20:58:17Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > At least then they would know who not to fuck with. > > Regards, > Shodan The problem is that it tells criminals who they CAN fuck with. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > No, there isn’t. Of course there is. There is an animus towards gun owners. Would it bother you if a detroit paper published the names and addresses of all registered owners of foreign cars? How about if the Post published a list of all registered Democrats in Staten Island? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > And the broad hint that it’s o.k. to fuck with those who don’t carry. Hey, your side is the one tipping off the criminals. > [@Human\_Action](#): > > Point is, the government side will always be armed. Force is the basic building block of power. Once you forget that, you are on the road to serving those that haven’t. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/50 "2013-05-17T21:09:01Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > At least then they would know who not to fuck with. > > Regards, > Shodan Don’t we already know that? I thought that was the Wu Tang Clan? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/51 "2013-05-17T21:13:42Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I’ll buy that it’s a legit concern when and if it ever happens in real life, and the reason was the gun owner was outed against his/her will and not because she/he told one and all that guns were there. Legit concerns have to have at least a smidgen of reality to base them on. **Archaic\_Entity** n posted this: \*Except for the fact that yes, indeed, CCW / license holders are being listed (sometimes publically) by address, or by neighborhood. In Indiana until a couple of years ago, you could obtain a list of persons who have current licenses to carry handguns (LTCHs) with relative ease. And local newspapers put up pages that allowed you to input an address and see how many people within that neighborhood had LTCHs.\* Here’s some other cites: [http://nation.foxnews.com/journal-news/2013/01/14/gun-owner-outed-newspaper-burglarized](http://nation.foxnews.com/journal-news/2013/01/14/gun-owner-outed-newspaper-burglarized) _The home of a gun owner, whose address was published by a New York newspaper, has been burglarized and a state lawmaker said it appears the burglars may have used the newspaper’s map to target the residence._ > **[Newspaper sparks outrage for publishing names, addresses of gun permit holders...](https://www.cnn.com/2012/12/25/us/new-york-gun-permit-map)** > > An newspaper’s online map of names, addresses of handgun permit-holders in New York’s Westchester and Rockland counties is drawing a negative response. > **[Ex-Burglars Admit Gun Owner-Outing Map Helps Criminals](https://www.wizbangblog.com/2013/01/06/ex-burglars-admit-gun-owner-outing-map-helps-criminals/)** > > Fox News recently reported that ex-crooks are denouncing the New York paper that published the names and addresses of thousands of the state’s gun owners saying that publishing the informatio… _Ex-Burglars Admit Gun Owner-Outing Map Helps Criminals_ Do you still claim that this has never happened in real life? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/52 "2013-05-17T21:20:29Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > **Archaic\_Entity** n posted this: > \*Except for the fact that yes, indeed, CCW / license holders are being listed (sometimes publically) by address, or by neighborhood. > > In Indiana until a couple of years ago, you could obtain a list of persons who have current licenses to carry handguns (LTCHs) with relative ease. And local newspapers put up pages that allowed you to input an address and see how many people within that neighborhood had LTCHs.\* > > Here’s some other cites: > [http://nation.foxnews.com/journal-news/2013/01/14/gun-owner-outed-newspaper-burglarized](http://nation.foxnews.com/journal-news/2013/01/14/gun-owner-outed-newspaper-burglarized) > > _The home of a gun owner, whose address was published by a New York newspaper, has been burglarized and a state lawmaker said it appears the burglars may have used the newspaper’s map to target the residence._ > [http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/25/us/new-york-gun-permit-map](http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/25/us/new-york-gun-permit-map) > [Ex-Burglars Admit Gun Owner-Outing Map Helps Criminals – Wizbang](http://wizbangblog.com/2013/01/06/ex-burglars-admit-gun-owner-outing-map-helps-criminals/) > _Ex-Burglars Admit Gun Owner-Outing Map Helps Criminals_ > > Do you still claim that this has never happened in real life? I admit that names are being released helter skelter, and they shouldn’t be. On the other hand, you were able to dig up _one_ possible example that this lead to a burglary. Statistically weak by anyone’s standards, so using it as a any sort of example weakens the argument in my opinion. There are better reasons to oppose the name releases. ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/53 "2013-05-17T21:32:16Z")
Does owning a gun protect you from criminals, or put you more in danger of them? You can’t have it both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/54 "2013-05-17T21:44:19Z")
I would like to see some Youtube videos of anti-gun people attempting to pin stars on gun owners/carriers. That would be awesome. Because if you think the local law enforcement people, cops, are going to do it for the anti-gun crowd you are mistaken. All of the local sheriff and state police where I live are heavily into gun rights for private citizens. Enforcement might be attempted in a tepid way in major urban centers like NYC or Chicago, but not in the larger part of the US. The whole idea is liberal/urban fantasy land. It’s a big country. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/55 "2013-05-17T21:45:55Z")
> [@Dallas\_Jones](#): > > The whole idea is liberal/urban fantasy land. It’s a big country. This insanity doesn’t come from liberals, bucky. ---
**Author:** ![Archaic\_Entity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@Archaic\_Entity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archaic_Entity)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/56 "2013-05-17T21:50:20Z")
> [@coffeecat](#): > > Does owning a gun protect you from criminals, or put you more in danger of them? You can’t have it both ways. You can, in fact. A gun can end a threat, as is being discussed in another thread ([Robbery gone very wrong - defensive gun use - Great Debates - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=691240)). Or it could be the target of a robbery, where you aren’t armed at home and end up dead. Or it could be stolen from you and used against you. What makes you decide that it’s so black and white? ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/57 "2013-05-17T22:06:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > This insanity doesn’t come from liberals, bucky. I’m not bucky, and as usual your contribution to gun related threads adds nothing of value. But you are a protected class of your own on this board and your comment will not be moderated. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/58 "2013-05-17T22:09:51Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Of course there is. There is an animus towards gun owners. Would it bother you if a detroit paper published the names and addresses of all registered owners of foreign cars? How about if the Post published a list of all registered Democrats in Staten Island? . Are you serious? No, it would not bother me if my name was published for owning a foreign car or for being a registered democrat. Does it bother you owners of firearms seem paranoid? ---
**Author:** ![Archaic\_Entity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@Archaic\_Entity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Archaic_Entity)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/59 "2013-05-17T22:14:39Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Are you serious? No, it would not bother me if my name was published for owning a foreign car or for being a registered democrat. Does it bother you owners of firearms seem paranoid? It’s an invasion of privacy equally. That’s the problem. I don’t want my name posted based upon the fact that I own a gun. That information is not relevant to anyone except me. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602/60 "2013-05-17T22:20:22Z")
> [@Archaic\_Entity](#): > > It’s an invasion of privacy equally. That’s the problem. I don’t want my name posted based upon the fact that I own a gun. That information is not relevant to anyone except me. Your name is posted in public all over the fucking place already. Damuri was trying to make the point that I would feel the same way in his scenarios, not so much. This oppression you feel is an illusion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/folks-gun-owners-do-not-have-to-wear-yellow-stars-in-public/658602.md?page=4)