# Fond farewell, favorite food.

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**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [September 13, 2004, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328 "2004-09-13T23:07:39Z")\
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**Author:** ![FilmGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@FilmGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FilmGeek)\
**Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/21 "2004-09-14T22:35:51Z")

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That aversion might pass, **Anne**. I had a friend who got herself a huge snickers blizzard. She ate the whole thing and then started getting sick. She got sicker and sicker (it was the flu) and vomited copiously onto her dorm room carpet.

She couldn’t eat ice cream with stuff in it for years and still can’t eat ice cream with snickers in it, but she can now eat snickers and ice cream.

So, there is hope.

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**Author:** ![Khadro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@Khadro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadro)\
**Post date:** [September 14, 2004, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/22 "2004-09-14T23:30:41Z")

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The list of foods I do not eat at home because my wife hates the taste/smell:

Coffee  
Tea  
Beer  
Wine  
Squid/Octopus/Prawns  
Tomato (fresh only, sauces and cooked tomato are fine).  
Really hot chillies  
Slightly pink inside steaks  
Vegemite  
Sour Cream  
Rye Bread  
Avocado

The list of foods she does not eat because I hate the taste/smell:

Crabmeat.  
End of Lists. We have such a balanced relationship 😃

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**Author:** ![chaoticbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@chaoticbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaoticbear)\
**Post date:** [September 15, 2004, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/23 "2004-09-15T00:10:27Z")

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Butter beans. The canned ones. I got on the hugest kick on those for a while. Ate them at least once a day. Then my mom bought some frozen ones and tried cooking them. I got scarred from ever eating butter beans again.

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**Author:** ![tygerbryght](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9a28c/32.png) [@tygerbryght](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tygerbryght)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2004, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/24 "2004-09-19T03:45:29Z")

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> [@FilmGeek](#):
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> I _love_ the green bean dish that can be found at a lot of Chinese restaurants. … Whenever I eat them, I get swollen lips. This wasn’t a problem until yesterday when my tongue started doing the same trick. Not one to mess around with anaphylactic shock …
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> What foods can’t you have that you love due to allergies, spousal aversions, medical conditions, monetary restrictions or other reasons?

(Still catching up)

For all those who get swelling somewhere on/around their heads from foods: Either benadryl or chlortrimeton (chlorpheniramine maleate) will usually relieve the symptoms. For many people, they will even allow modest indulgence in the Forbidden Fruits. Dunno about swellings elsewhere, but it _might_ work. Ask Your Doctor.

Things I can’t eat/drink:  
egg yolks (discovered before I was old enough to remember): When I was in 2nd grade, my teacher insisted I eat a boiled egg along with the rest of the class (at Eastertime, maybe?). Shortly afterward, I barfed on her shoes when I went to ask her to let me go to the restroom. I’ll bet she never made another kid eat an egg! 😛 I can eat most things with eggs in them, and I certainly can eat meringue (egg whites), but no French toast (unless made with lots of milk) or egg custard (under any circumstances; it tasted wonderful going down, not so great coming back up). Gotta ask that my fried rice be made _without_ eggs when I get the urge. Effects: see above.

legumes, except for very young peas (seeds not mature, usually includes Chinese peapods, yay!) or beans (seeds barely begun to form, like in French-style green beans); peculiarly, there are periods of my life when I can eat peanuts. Effects: make my tummy **very** unhappy.

raw tomatoes, or cooked, with skin and/or seeds, or ketchup; thoroughly cooked tomato sauce, and things made therewith, are just fine. Effects: give me the lip swelling, only it’s mostly the upper. Looks weird.

fresh strawberries, same as tomatoes, just not as bad.

from 18 or so until sometime not long before my 20th birthday, I drank coffee … lots and _lots_ of coffee. Then, suddenly, even a sip of it gave me horrendous heartburn. Love the smell, love the taste, but can’t take the fire in my chest. Good thing I also love tea, and have since childhood. 🙂

probably not an allergy, but - too much animal fat (i.e., lard, etc., excluding butter), unless a very low percentage, and thoroughly mixed (ground) with lean meat makes me really ill. When eating a slice of meat, I hafta trim off all the fat, even narrow “veins” of it. Makes me really ill. I’ve often speculated that I got a defective model gall bladder. :dubious:

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**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2004, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/25 "2004-09-19T11:18:57Z")

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Due to allergies, I can’t eat

Tomatoes (which I never liked anyway - if every time you eat something you get Projectile Vomit From Hell you quickly learn distate for it)

Corn (But I _like_ corn!)

Barley (But I _like_ barley! Used to cook it as a side dish, like rice, and put in soups and stews and bread. And _beer_ - no more beer and I _love_ beer! I’ve had my last Guinness Stout ☹ because breathing take priority)

Lentils (But I _like_ lentils and fallafil and lentil stew…)

Peas (that’s OK - never liked 'em anyway)

Oranges (meh - I could take 'em or leave 'em)

Peanuts (this makes eating in Thai restaurants a death-defying feat. And I do miss my Reese’s peanut butter cups ☹ )

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**Author:** ![yBeayf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e274bd/32.png) [@yBeayf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yBeayf)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2004, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/26 "2004-09-19T13:05:23Z")

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For a while I was having the problem of whenever I ate Thai food I would experience near-instantenous liquification of all intestinal contents, followed by the usual consequences. Through examination of commonalities of ingredients, I narrowed the culprit down to either fish sauce or squid. I recently made a Vietnamese stew with lots of fish sauce, and had no problems, so I guess it’s the squid, which is good, because there’s plenty of Vietnamese and Thai food without squid, but not much of it without fish sauce.

For years I couldn’t eat chili or hot dogs, after an experience that combined a jumbo chili dog and severe gastroenteritis. Luckily, I’m over that one now.

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**Author:** ![Harriet\_the\_Spry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e56c9b/32.png) [@Harriet\_the\_Spry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harriet_the_Spry)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2004, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/27 "2004-09-19T20:40:30Z")

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> [@FilmGeek](#):
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> I _love_ the green bean dish that can be found at a lot of Chinese restaurants. They have a drawback, though. Whenever I eat them, I get swollen lips. This wasn’t a problem until yesterday when my tongue started doing the same trick. Not one to mess around with anaphylactic shock, I’m not going to be indulging in any of these again any time soon.

In no way am I suggesting you mess around with anaphylactic shock, so obviously talk to your doctor. But I will tell you my story. I have gone through the whole rigamarole with the allergist for food and non-food allergies.

I get the swollen lips thing from MSG (which is in a lot more stuff than Chinese food). In general, whenever something savory tastes way too good to be true, that’s MSG, in my experience. True food allergy to MSG is rare but adverse reactions are widely reported. MSG works by stimulating the taste buds. For me, stimulating is another word for irritating. So this could be a benign reaction, or there’s a small possibility it’s a true allergy to something else. An allergist will probably tell you a true food allergy to MSG is highly unlikely, though. I avoid MSG, because in addition to the swelling it often leads to canker sores, but I don’t worry about it killing me. If you get this reaction from flavored potato chips, that would be one way to informally see if it’s MSG bothering you.

What I don’t eat is shellfish, though. Even though the test came out absolutely no shellfish allergy, serious projectile vomiting has resulted on one too many occasions. This may be a sensitivity to a preservative, or maybe an extreme prevalence of inadequate refrigeration. I’m just not going there again with the shellfish.

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**Author:** ![picunurse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@picunurse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picunurse)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2004, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/28 "2004-09-19T20:56:28Z")

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> [@FilmGeek](#):
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> I _love_ the green bean dish that can be found at a lot of Chinese restaurants. They have a drawback, though. Whenever I eat them, I get swollen lips. This wasn’t a problem until yesterday when my tongue started doing the same trick. Not one to mess around with anaphylactic shock, I’m not going to be indulging in any of these again any time soon.
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> No more tasty garlicy green beans for Filmgeek.
> 
> What foods can’t you have that you love due to allergies, spousal aversions, medical conditions, monetary restrictions or other reasons?

When my husband was about 10, he and a friend stole some watermelons from a neighbor’s garden. They ate _a lot_ of watermelon. The friend got sick, so hubby got sick.  
Now 30 years later, nurse can’t bring watermelon inside the house.  
I miss watermelon, but I’d miss the love of my life more 😉

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**Author:** ![Lynne\_kilii](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lynne\_kilii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynne_kilii)\
**Post date:** [September 20, 2004, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/29 "2004-09-20T00:21:48Z")

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I can’t have anything with caffeine in it. My nose goes numb. Don’t know why. If I have say, 2 cans of coke worth, my cheeks start to go numb too. Irritating! no one has been able to give me an explaination, either.

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**Author:** ![Ms\_Boods](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5e9695/32.png) [@Ms\_Boods](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ms_Boods)\
**Post date:** [September 20, 2004, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/30 "2004-09-20T01:08:52Z")

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I used to like bread and butter pickles, quite a lot. I would eat maybe 1 or 2 on their own, and of course put them into sandwiches.

As a treat, my mum sent me a jar whilst I was in grad school. Yummy! A whole jar just for me. So I ate about a dozen slices whilst preparing for a 3 hour seminar, and then when off for class…where I spent the next 3 hours desperately fighting the urge to vomit. Crikey was I queasy. Haven’t tried them since.

On the positive side, I know potential for ‘lost foods’ can be averted. When I was wee, my big brother was baby minding me one night, and he made us pizza. A few hours later, after I went to bed, I woke up and knew I had to vomit, so I calmly went along to the loo and unloaded the pizza. My brother came running (turned out it was the flu), and I was more upset that I wouldn’t be able to eat pizza again, because of the association of pizza ‘n’ puking.

My big brother, who was of course my hero, dismissed this as nonsense, and said _of course_ I would be able to eat pizza again. And _of course_ he was right, because, well, he was my _big brother_.

Come to think of it, I haven’t thrown up since that night, too. Even reverse peristalsis has respect for my big brother…hmmm…

🙂

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**Author:** ![The\_27th\_Evil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ebca7d/32.png) [@The\_27th\_Evil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_27th_Evil)\
**Post date:** [September 20, 2004, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/31 "2004-09-20T03:47:36Z")

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Coffee without food is starting to make my stomach go wonky. I could cry. I need that caffeine and really can’t eat that often.

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**Author:** ![overlyverbose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9dc877/32.png) [@overlyverbose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/overlyverbose)\
**Post date:** [September 20, 2004, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/32 "2004-09-20T14:08:47Z")

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> [@Harriet the Spry](#):
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> What I don’t eat is shellfish, though. Even though the test came out absolutely no shellfish allergy, serious projectile vomiting has resulted on one too many occasions. This may be a sensitivity to a preservative, or maybe an extreme prevalence of inadequate refrigeration. I’m just not going there again with the shellfish.

Not sure if this helps; however, my doctor told me, after a bout of projectile vomiting and fever-induced seizures caused by getting food poisoning from shellfish that, since they’re “bottom feeders,” shellfish tend to eat all the sludge and crap from the bottom of the ocean/lake or wherever it is they come from. He said that because shellfish absorb all that crap, and shrimp especially sometimes have that vein right down the middle that many restaurants fail to remove, lots of people get sick on shellfish, though they might not be allergic to them. I wish I had done more research on that comment, but it made sense to me at the time, and more or less still does, especially when you consider that a lot of shellfish are caught right off the coast or near it, where I think there tends to be higher pollution density.

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**Author:** ![eno801](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@eno801](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eno801)\
**Post date:** [September 20, 2004, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/33 "2004-09-20T20:21:04Z")

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tacos de tripitas bien doradas. the united states banned them for fear of mad cow disease. man I miss them.

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**Author:** ![Aragowyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/da6949/32.png) [@Aragowyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aragowyn)\
**Post date:** [September 20, 2004, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/34 "2004-09-20T22:30:28Z")

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Like **cher3** , pineapple will give me canker sores. I don’t think it’s the acid however. I’ve had the new engineered low acid pineapple, and it’s the same problem. I can eat all sorts of citrus fruits and enjoy extra strong lemonade.

The pina allergy started in my early 20s and I denied it for years because:

1. I grew up eating a LOT of pineapple without any problems.
2. at first the sores came days after, making identification of the culprit difficult.
3. I absolutely love pineapple.

By the time I was in my late 20s my sensitivity was such that the first bite would instantly make my tongue swell, so I couldn’t deny it anymore. I mourned the loss desperately. Once in a while I’d give myself just a nibble just in case the allergy has gone away or is just in my head. It hasn’t and isn’t.

Speaking of the benadryl trick, I tried it once. Well I tried claritin. It was on a trip to SE Asia; we were served a plate of the juiciest, cheeriest yellow pineapple I’d seen in a long time. Canker sores be damned, I had one piece. It was divine. Then I told myself, maybe if I practically swallow the next bite whole, I’ll be ok. Choke risk be damned, I gulped a second piece. Then I felt the swelling. Some of you know it well. The top of your tongue feels raw as it gets pushed against your upper molars. I knew it was time to stop and I said to my friends, “I guess I’ll be swishing my mouth with benadryl & mylanta tomorrow” (a trick for relief that my doctor once gave me). Then one of my friends suggested taking Benadryl orally. Since I carry claritin with me to prevent hiking-induced hives (that’s another story), I popped one. Waste of a good claritin.

I don’t know if it’s because I didn’t take it before eating the pineapple, or if benadryl would work where claritin doesn’t. Maybe I should try benadryl next time. But I don’t really like using my gums as a ginea pig and the tongue swelling thing is a little scary.

And as if the pineapple allergy happening to me, someone who loves all food & especially fruits, isn’t bad enough, the other day, the tongue swelling thing happened for the first time after eating kiwi. Nooooooooo! Not kiwi!!!

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**Author:** ![cher3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@cher3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cher3)\
**Post date:** [September 20, 2004, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/35 "2004-09-20T22:50:12Z")

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**Broomstick** , I think falafel is usually made with chickpeas, if that makes any difference.

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**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/36 "2004-09-21T00:27:06Z")

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> [@Aragowyn](#):
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> I don’t know if it’s because I didn’t take it before eating the pineapple, or if benadryl would work where claritin doesn’t. Maybe I should try benadryl next time. But I don’t really like using my gums as a ginea pig and the tongue swelling thing is a little scary.

Benadryl and Claritin are NOT the same thing!

First of all, if I recall correctly (and I may not) Claritin works by blocking your histamine receptors - problem is, if the allergic reaction has already started the horse is out of the barn and it does no good to ask Mr. Claritin to bar the door at that point. Claritin should be taken _before_ the reaction starts up.

Truthfully, Benadryl works better when taken before, too, but the drowsiness side effect kind of blows. However, Benadryl _will_ work after a reaction starts. In fact, 50 mg of Benadryl is a standard treatment in the ER (along with other stuff) for severe allergic reactions. In the ER they can even give it intraveneously for really fast relief.

Lately I’ve been carrying those Benadryl tablets that dissolve in your mouth for “just in case” - a pharmacist told me they are absorbed faster (would be nice if a Doper with medical credentials could confirm/deny this, hint, hint) which would be a good thing in a serious situation. They’re labeled “children’s”, but that just means each tablet has a child size dose - so as an adult I figure take four to make 50 mg. As always _ **consult your doctor** _ beforehand. I am not a doctor, I am not telling you what to do, I am just telling you what **I** do, which may or may not be a good idea for you.

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**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/37 "2004-09-21T00:30:53Z")

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> [@cher3](#):
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> **Broomstick** , I think falafel is usually made with chickpeas, if that makes any difference.

It would make a difference if I could trust the kitchen, but the cook getting either careless or creative could make me seriously ill for days. To top it off, Middle Eastern restaurants, at least in this area, frequently have this problem called “a language barrier” which can make communicating difficult.

Which is why I end up doing a lot of ethnic cooking at home - it’s the safest way to enjoy these tidbits. Some purist usually comes along at some point and screams "no! NO! no! NO! - _you’re not doing it right!!!_ but hey, that’s the _other_ cool thing about doing my own cooking - I can make it the way **I** like it.

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**Author:** ![tygerbryght](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a9a28c/32.png) [@tygerbryght](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tygerbryght)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fond-farewell-favorite-food/264328/38 "2004-09-21T04:16:25Z")

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> [@Broomstick](#):
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> Benadryl and Claritin are NOT the same thing!  
> …

What s/he said! AFAIK, the only things that will work on the kind of reactions discussed here are either Benadryl and ChlorTriMeton. I think they’re considered to be of the same drug “generation”, even though the benadryl didn’t come out until a long time after. I can’t use benadryl. I don’t sleep, I don’t merely bounce off the wall; I bounce off the _ceiling_. And even ChlorTriMeton doesn’t put me to sleep. It interferes with my sleeping for the first few days when I start taking it in the spring, but then my body readapts, and I sleep normally.

But it is something to remember, if you (or someone around you) starts having a bad reaction. If you can get either of the above, stick it under the person’s tongue.

(I got Xanax #2 that way last Thursday after they were an hour late starting on me, and before having dye and a tube threaded through the vein that joins the two major leg veins. Neither the Xanax nor the rest was any fun. I complained about the nasty taste of the pill, and yelled (better than moving!) when the tube was being put it - that **[COLOR=Red]hurts**.)[/COLOR]

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