# Font Changes in Staff Reports

**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148
**Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports
**Created:** [April 21, 2004, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148 "2004-04-21T02:41:01Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
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### Author: ![kjkolb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3ec8ea/32.png) [@kjkolb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kjkolb)
#### Post date: [April 21, 2004, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/1 "2004-04-21T02:41:01Z")

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I was wondering why the font changes in [Staff Report](http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mequalopposite.html) columns. I haven’t seen it in Cecil’s columns. It doesn’t appear to serve any purpose. The font sometimes changes after a hyphen, but not always. Normally it’s whatever the default browser font is, but then it changes to Times New Roman, size 14. Is this a bug?

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### Author: ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2004, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/2 "2004-04-22T02:59:26Z")

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I got no clue whatcher talkin’ about, I don’t see a font change. I’ll bring this to the attention of someone with some technical expertise.

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### Author: ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2004, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/3 "2004-04-22T04:38:23Z")

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What browser are you using for this?

Looking at it with Internet Explorer, it all looks pretty much like it always has, 12 point Times Roman.

There might be some other stuff formatted in it, I’ll have to go look at the coding, but on my browser it’s all the same.

Sorry if it looks different to you. Please tell me what you’re using for a browser, not only the name but version #. That might help us track it down. Come to think of it, what operating system are you on? That might also make a difference.

your humble TubaDiva  
Administrator

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### Author: ![kjkolb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3ec8ea/32.png) [@kjkolb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kjkolb)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2004, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/4 "2004-04-22T06:36:39Z")

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Mac OS 9.2.2  
Internet Explorer 5.1.7

Here’s a [picture](http://kjkolb.tripod.com/sdfont.jpg).

I looked at the code. Here’s a section where the font changes for my browser. It seems that \<font face=“Times New Roman”\> is entered when there is a hyphen with a space on each side.

“Yeah, the box is pushing you back, but \<span lang=“en-us”\>that’s  
irrelevant \<font face=“Times New Roman”\>– all we’re concerned about is the  
forces acting on the box. So d\</font\>\</span\>raw a plastic bag around  
\<span lang=“en-us”\>it.”

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### Author: ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)
#### Post date: [April 22, 2004, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/5 "2004-04-22T11:22:22Z")

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Ah. The light dawns!

If you were Windows-based, you would never see that, I suspect.

Ed creates the Staff Reports using Word Perfect and publishes the pages in the latest version of Microsoft Front Page.

Somewhere between the Word Perfect macro commands used for formatting and Front Page, Microsoft interprets by throwing in those “\<span lang=“en-us”\>” coding pieces.

I’ll see if we can’t do something about that.

Sorry for your inconvenience.

your humble TubaDiva  
Administrator

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### Author: ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2004, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/6 "2004-04-23T03:40:58Z")

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_ **Word Perfect !** _ Going to join the Open Source movement and change to Open Office? Somehow the idea of SD not using GPL software seems … wrong to me, I’m not sure why.

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### Author: ![John\_W.Kennedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_w.kennedy/32/1031_2.png) [@John\_W.Kennedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_W.Kennedy)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2004, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/7 "2004-04-23T13:28:06Z")

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Never mind Word Perfect – it’s Frontpage that disturbs me, that bloated, standards-raping, force-everyone-to-use-Microsoft’s-browser piece of web pollution.

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### Author: ![Xiphos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/48db29/32.png) [@Xiphos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xiphos)
#### Post date: [April 26, 2004, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/8 "2004-04-26T16:51:09Z")

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> [@John W. Kennedy](#):
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> Never mind Word Perfect – it’s Frontpage that disturbs me, that bloated, standards-raping, force-everyone-to-use-Microsoft’s-browser piece of web pollution.

No John W, don’t repress. Let your feelings out! You’ll feel better 😛

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### Author: ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)
#### Post date: [April 27, 2004, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/9 "2004-04-27T02:01:08Z")

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> [@](#):
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> If you were Windows-based, you would never see that, I suspect.

This happens to me also. I’m running WinXP SP2, IE 6.0.2800.1106. I’m using Latin Based lang script, Web page font is Arial. Under Accessibility I haven’t enabled anything under the Formatting tab to ignore Font Styles on Web pages.

[Here’s](http://homepage.mac.com/dooku_sdmb/.cv/dooku_sdmb/Public/Changingfont.jpg-link.jpg) a picture. Different font in the yellow box. (Zoom in if it’s not clear at the smaller size).

IIRC I only noticed it recently - maybe just after the software upgrade, but I can’t be sure.

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### Author: ![Ed\_Zotti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/fbc32d/32.png) [@Ed\_Zotti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ed_Zotti)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2004, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/10 "2004-04-28T02:34:15Z")

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I use FrontPage. Sue me. For unknown reasons, it has taken to adding Times Roman font coding wherever I do edits in Staff Reports. If your default font is Times Roman, you don’t notice. If your default is a sans serif font, as in the screen shot above, you do. I’d take it out, except that the source is crammed so full of [span lang=“en-us”] codes, the consequence of another FP quirk involving a disparity in the page language vs. the keyboard language (beats me), that it’s completely unintelligible. At this point I’m happy it doesn’t appear in Cyrillic.

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### Author: ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2004, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/11 "2004-04-28T19:21:37Z")

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Ah. Sounds like [this](http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;219203&Product=fpw) KB article might explain what’s going on.

Not that it much matters to me; I’d rather read English than Cyrillic. 😉

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### Author: ![Caught\_Work](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/919ad9/32.png) [@Caught\_Work](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caught_Work)
#### Post date: [April 30, 2004, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/font-changes-in-staff-reports/241148/12 "2004-04-30T11:42:40Z")

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> [@Ed Zotti](#):
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> I use FrontPage. Sue me.  
> \<snip\>  
> I’d take it out, except that the source is crammed so full of [span lang=“en-us”] codes, the consequence of another FP quirk involving a disparity in the page language vs. the keyboard language (beats me), that it’s completely unintelligible. At this point I’m happy it doesn’t appear in Cyrillic.

Rather than sue you I hope to help you.

Once your web (or file) is open  
Tools Web Settings Language and unselect the Ignore keyboard.  
That should stop inserting all that paraphenalia.
