# Food Fadists - STFU **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037 "2012-06-23T05:33:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/181 "2012-06-26T17:26:30Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Some people have. Some people haven’t. (Some) Southeast Asians are particularly susceptible to lactose intolerance because they don’t have a history of dairy consumption. Thanks for being the first person in the thread to point this out. What’s odd though, is that it is invariably pasty, white people who whine about dairy allergies. It’s not like African American neighborhoods are full of pizzerias with non-dairy cheese or coffee shops with soy milk. Mexican tiendas seem to be chock-a-block with cheese, sour cream, and ice cream, and they have a higher incidence of lactose intolerance than Northern Europeans. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/182 "2012-06-26T17:42:20Z")
I’m not sure if you are being facetious or not but either way I wasn’t going to wade through 5 pages of people whining about how Brussels sprouts influence their bowel movements. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/183 "2012-06-26T18:00:49Z")
> [@Doug\_K](#): > > This is a bit of a hijack, but blogging has been called blogging since at least May of 1999. > > Cite: > [History of blogging - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_blogging) Thanks. If anything, that proves my point. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/184 "2012-06-26T20:17:13Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > No. Posts that, if not a joke are an outright lie, make people laugh You are not allergic to fruit and vegetables. Really? What diagnostic criteria caused you to arrive at that? > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Not so much that. But if I were— let’s say an _unsigned editorialist_— tasked with dreaming up a list of questionable ailments suffered by a stereotypical Straight Doper, I could do no better than a mysterious allergy that excludes all fresh fruits and vegetables, yet happily permits French fries and donuts. Since the two (fresh fruits and vegetables vs French fries and donuts) have almost nothing in common, you sound like you really have zero idea what causes an allergic reaction. > [@troubledwater](#): > > Could easily be [Oral Allergy Syndrome](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_allergy_syndrome), which is fairly specific to unprocessed fruits and vegetables, because the offending proteins are denatured by cooking. > > Unlike many food reactions, which are actually food intolerances, this is a true allergy. I wasn’t aware it had a name, but yes that is it. If I eat enough of some fruits/veggies or even a little of a few, the reaction starts at the lips, then the mouth, then closes up the throat. Because the allergy waxes and wanes, it just makes life simpler to eat as little fresh fruit and veggies that I can tho there are a handful I avoid no matter what. > [@lorene](#): > > I have OAS. It does not cover all fruits and vegetables that exist in the world. That Wikipedia link has a list of associated fruits and vegetables, and I notice a lack of leafy greens and cruciferous vegetables, for example. I didn’t say I was allergic to them all, I said I was allergic to all I’d been tested for as well as a few others I’ve had reactions to. I suppose it’s possible to be allergic to lettuce or celery, but I’m not. Interesting to see nuts on that Wiki link - as far as I know I am not allergic to any nuts. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/185 "2012-06-26T21:58:12Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Really? What diagnostic criteria caused you to arrive at that? The fact that you’re a proven liar and attention whore. The fact that you’ve just admitted to not even knowing the name of the allergy you claim to have. And the fact that you’ve just said that, unlike what you claimed in your original post, you are allergic to only some of them, and most of _them_ only mildly. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/186 "2012-06-26T22:27:53Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > The fact that you’re a proven liar and attention whore. The fact that you’ve just admitted to not even knowing the name of the allergy you claim to have. And the fact that you’ve just said that, unlike what you claimed in your original post, you are allergic to only some of them, and most of _them_ only mildly. Oh honey, this isn’t the way to save face when it’s been proven to you that you are wrong! I am not a liar, much less “proven”, if for no other reason than I have no need to do so. Attention whore? By saying I’m allergic to many fruits/veggies? Please. As for the name of the type of allergy, even if Wiki is correct regarding the name, I was tested for food allergies 20 and 30 years ago, so if it had a name back then, there has been plenty of time for me to forget it, if they even told me. Which I really doubt they did. As for my original post on the subject, go back and read it again. Only if you are trying would you read that as me saying I am allergic to all fruits and veggies. C’mon - “I am allergic to all fresh fruits and vegetables that I’ve been tested for, plus others I’ve had reactions to, so I just avoid them all.” - there are three different references to three different groups in that sentence. You can do better than that. Or is this serious lack of reading ability/comprehension/skimming how you “prove” I lie? ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/187 "2012-06-26T22:29:51Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > The fact that you’re a proven liar and attention whore. The fact that you’ve just admitted to not even knowing the name of the allergy you claim to have. And the fact that you’ve just said that, unlike what you claimed in your original post, you are allergic to only some of them, and most of _them_ only mildly. Ah, because it is only a mild allergy, it isn’t real. Interesting definition. Glad you aren’t around, you would probably feed me mushrooms and refuse to call an ambulance because I am not really allergic to mushrooms because you have never seen me have an allergic attack from one before. And if you notice in that article,it says this: > [@](#): > > Reactions may begin with one type of food and with reactions to others developing later. However, reaction to one or more foods in any given category does not necessarily mean a person is allergic to all foods in that group. Moronic post. If you are going to reference something, read it all first. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/188 "2012-06-26T22:47:28Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > The fact that you’re a proven liar and attention whore. The fact that you’ve just admitted to not even knowing the name of the allergy you claim to have. And the fact that you’ve just said that, unlike what you claimed in your original post, you are allergic to only some of them, and most of _them_ only mildly. You know, **curlcoat** isn’t the only person on these boards to have OAS. Cross-reactions are _common_ with the syndrome, and while the allergy might be described as “mild” that only means it’s not life-threatening. It can be incredibly uncomfortable, even painful, result in copious mucus/snot production, coughing, sneezing, runny nose, sore throat, and hoarseness. Or maybe it’s just a slight itching around the lips. It’s impossible to predict and even in the same person varies from one day to another. With nearly 50 years of dealing with allergies under my belt, it is _common_ for docs to advise people with the more irritating forms of OAS to simply avoid raw (that is, fresh) fruits and vegetables of all sorts. > [@curlcoat](#): > > As for the name of the type of allergy, even if Wiki is correct regarding the name, I was tested for food allergies 20 and 30 years ago, so if it had a name back then, there has been plenty of time for me to forget it, if they even told me. Which I really doubt they did. Wiki is right on the name. I heard about it 30 years ago when I was undergoing allergy treatments so it was called that even way back then, but **curlcoat** is also correct that way back then docs weren’t always so forthcoming about formal names to patients. > [@aruvqan](#): > > Ah, because it is only a mild allergy, it isn’t real. Interesting definition. Glad you aren’t around, you would probably feed me mushrooms and refuse to call an ambulance because I am not really allergic to mushrooms because you have never seen me have an allergic attack from one before. Ya, I recall all the docs who steered me away from allergy shots because they were _sooooo_ painful and _soooo_ burdensome and they didn’t want me to suffer. Hey, you medical idiots, _I am already suffering!!!_ The allergist got it in one visit. Then again, he had allergies himself. There is much to criticize about **curlcoat** , but the existence of OAS is not one of them. It’s a real syndrome and it can cause real suffering that is alleviated by the simple expedient of not eating raw fruits and vegetables. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/189 "2012-06-26T22:54:11Z")
Oh, **Broomstick** is on the case. Why should I believe you here any more than I should believe your magical kung fu leg breaking powers you claimed in another thread? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/190 "2012-06-26T23:11:39Z")
Because in that thread a bunch of jerks conflated my rather low key statements about fighting off a rapist with the _Karate Kid_, a work of fiction, after stating that I couldn’t possibly be telling the truth about being sexually harassed by a customer at work. In other words, it was turned into a trainwreck by a bunch of bullies. You’re saying that because a poster says something doubtful everything else ever said by that Doper should be cast in doubt, even if it’s something easily confirmed by a trip to Wikipedia followed by a 5 minute search on Google. Don’t believe me? OK, no skin off my nose. Just Google “oral allergy syndrome” and do your own research. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/191 "2012-06-26T23:15:00Z")
I’ve no doubt that it exists, or that some people have it. I doubt people who have been shown to be liars and attention whores, where its far more likely that an extremely minor issue, if there’s even an issue at all, is being blown up into SPESHUL SNOWFLAYK territory. You want to be believed? Don’t cry wolf. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/192 "2012-06-26T23:23:23Z")
OK, we get it, you think **curlcoat** is full of crap. Regardless, you’re wrong on this, oral allergy syndrome does exist and for the more troublesome instances the recommendation is, in fact, to avoid raw fruits and vegetables. If that still causes you brain cramps just rationalize it as a stopped clock is still correct twice a day. Shall we move on? Um… next food idiocy: raw foodists. Seriously, people, _Homo erectus_ had fire 400,000 years ago. _H. neanderthal_ had fire. Control (to some degree) of fire and cooking of food predates our species. And you’re telling me cooking food is unnatural? BS. Fire and _H. sapiens_ goes together like tool use and _H. sapiens_. I defy anyone to name me a human culture or tribe that _never_ cooked its food. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/193 "2012-06-26T23:35:14Z")
Which part of “I’ve no doubt that it exists, or that some people have it” did you fail to comprehend? Also, **curlcoat** claimed to be allergic to fresh fruit and vegetables, not raw. Whilst most fresh fruit is consumed raw, most vegetables aren’t. That, along with not knowing what the allergy is called, and that she’s a lying liar (like you) mean there’s no way I’ll believe her. Also, if anyone ever comes into one of the many retarded I CAN’T LOSE WEIGHT COS I’M SPESHUL threads and claims to have this allergy, they can consider themselves told to fuck the fuck off in advance. How come no-one’s ever allergic to cake? Also, raw foodism is stupid. It is, in fact, just as stupid as not eating fruit and vegetables at all. If you have to cook them to eat them safely, do it. It’s not that hard… ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/194 "2012-06-26T23:39:20Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I defy anyone to name me a human culture or tribe that _never_ cooked its food. College Fraternities 🙂 Oh, and the cake thing was funny. ---
**Author:** ![DiosaBellissima](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a8b319/32.png) [@DiosaBellissima](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DiosaBellissima)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/195 "2012-06-26T23:40:03Z")
> [@Steophan](#): > > How come no-one’s ever allergic to cake? I just watched a runway show for a designer and I’m 100% sure most of the girls are I saw are deathly allergic to cake. They can’t even be in the same room that a cake has been processed in. ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/196 "2012-06-26T23:42:02Z")
**Lynn** , you’re still not making a lick of sense re the low blood sugar. if you rarely have a low blood sugar episode, then why did you mention that it’s not uncommon for you to blow through more than one treatment in a day? and you still haven’t explained why the choice is to pass out due to low sugar or be forced to eat something that will give you the shits. it’s true that a glucose tablet is meant to hold you over til you can eat a meal. one or two tablets should get you by while the restaurant prepares your food, if you’re in a situation where you’re served the dreaded pepper. your experience is your own, i guess, but i’m an insulin dependent juvenile onset diabetic and i have been for the last 16 years, and i have never run into a situation where i would be forced to eat something i otherwise couldn’t. my friends know of my condition and know if i say NEED SUGAR NOW they’ll get it for me. if i’m at a restaurant and i crash, i order a coke, which brings me up til the food arrives. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/197 "2012-06-26T23:42:52Z")
It’s some kind of awesome, **Steophan,** that you can say “Why should I believe you here…” and then, two posts later, you agree with her. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/198 "2012-06-27T00:07:47Z")
> [@DiosaBellissima](#): > > I just watched a runway show for a designer and I’m 100% sure most of the girls are I saw are deathly allergic to cake. They can’t even be in the same room that a cake has been processed in. If throwing something up after eating it is definite proof of an allergy, you’re certainly right. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/199 "2012-06-27T01:42:48Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > There is much to criticize about **curlcoat** ,. What, that I don’t like kids that are allowed to run roughshod over everything, or that I think folks should quit looking to others to support them? > [@Steophan](#): > > Also, **curlcoat** claimed to be allergic to fresh fruit and vegetables, not raw. Whilst most fresh fruit is consumed raw, most vegetables aren’t. That, along with not knowing what the allergy is called, and that she’s a lying liar (like you) mean there’s no way I’ll believe her. Oh ferchrissakes, you really are reaching here. Fresh=raw. I guess there _could_ be someplace that freezes fruits or veggies raw and then defrosts them without cooking, but for you to be laying a claim of of lying on your narrow little definition is pretty childish. Come on - a cooked vegetable or fruit cannot possibly be fresh, eh? But then, you don’t seem to be able to add anything to the discussion other than "if that’s what you are, what am I?'. Vegetables are consumed fresh (raw) in salads and with dip. I’m sure there are other applications that I have forgotten since, you know, I don’t eat raw veggies if I can help it. Not that I care if you believe me or not. There is no way I would ever put in the effort to live up to your expectations IRL, much less online. > [@](#): > > Also, if anyone ever comes into one of the many retarded I CAN’T LOSE WEIGHT COS I’M SPESHUL threads and claims to have this allergy, they can consider themselves told to fuck the fuck off in advance. How come no-one’s ever allergic to cake? Not that this has anything to do with anything, but cake made of wheat flour would be a problem with those allergic to wheat. Which you would know if you had even the first clue about the subject. As for losing weight while allergic to fresh (raw) fruits and veggies, it isn’t as easy but it’s certainly do-able. I’m down 15 lbs so far. > [@Ethilrist](#): > > It’s some kind of awesome, **Steophan,** that you can say “Why should I believe you here…” and then, two posts later, you agree with her. Yeah, I don’t know about any other subjects but here **Steophan** has been pretty I’M SPESHUL… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/200 "2012-06-27T05:34:01Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Oh ferchrissakes, you really are reaching here. Fresh=raw. No it doesn’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037.md?page=11)