# Food Fadists - STFU **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2012, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037 "2012-06-23T05:33:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/201 "2012-06-27T05:38:11Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > No it doesn’t. Try addressing the whole point and not just the part you think you can refute. How about cooked cannot be fresh? Or, can you come up with an example of a fresh frozen veggie or fruit that isn’t cooked prior to being eaten? Sheesh. It never ceases to amaze me how some people here can jump on one word in a post and make a federal case out of it. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/202 "2012-06-27T05:47:46Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Try addressing the whole point and not just the part you think you can refute. How about cooked cannot be fresh? Or, can you come up with an example of a fresh frozen veggie or fruit that isn’t cooked prior to being eaten? Strawberries: I eat thawed strawberries on ice cream. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/203 "2012-06-27T05:52:58Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > Strawberries: I eat thawed strawberries on ice cream. OK, if they weren’t cooked prior to being frozen, then score one for you. I didn’t know that strawberries were available frozen. However, it is also entirely possible that I could eat uncooked strawberries that had been previously frozen, since I don’t know if that changes the part I am allergic to. All I know is I was told to avoid fresh (uncooked) fruits and veggies. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/204 "2012-06-27T07:34:59Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > Strawberries: I eat thawed strawberries on ice cream. I eat unthawed frozen raspberries straight from the freezer with a little sugar and balsamic vinegar sprinkled on them. Food of the gods. Maybe one or two of them have thawed by the time I get to the bottom of the bowl, but not many. Oh, and frozen green peas with a little salt, aka “peasicles”. Not cooked at any point. Mmmm. All hungry now. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/205 "2012-06-27T07:39:16Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > OK, if they weren’t cooked prior to being frozen, then score one for you. I didn’t know that strawberries were available frozen. However, it is also entirely possible that I could eat uncooked strawberries that had been previously frozen, since I don’t know if that changes the part I am allergic to. All I know is I was told to avoid fresh (uncooked) fruits and veggies. I have OAS, mostly for raw apples and cherries. It developed only within the last few years (I’m 33 years old), starting with raw apples. My mouth and ears get itchy and numb if I eat more than a slice of apple or a couple cherries. I have read that often the allergy expands over time to include more different types of fruit/veg. I’m hoping that mine won’t get any worse, but there’s no way to know. I’m not sure that freezing would get rid of the reaction. OAS is an allergic reaction to proteins in some raw fruit/veg/nuts; the proteins are denatured by cooking, but I don’t know if freezing would have any effect. My WAG is that it wouldn’t, but people rarely eat frozen apple or cherries, so I haven’t tested this myself. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/206 "2012-06-27T07:52:01Z")
> [@Waenara](#): > > people rarely eat frozen apple or cherries Forgot to mention that frozen cherries are another of my don’t-bother-thawing foods. Dee-licious. However, I don’t have OAS so I can’t tell you if frozen cherries trigger it. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/207 "2012-06-27T07:52:18Z")
I went off and Googled a bit to try to find out about how freezing fruit/veg affects OAS, and found conflicting information. I found a lot of informal sites that said that freezing will denature the proteins enough to prevent an allergic reaction, but none of the ones I found had a cite to back this up. I did find this [cite (pdf)](http://ainotes.wikispaces.com/file/view/Freezing+does+not+alter+antigenic+properties+of+fresh+fruits+for+skin+testing+-+JACI+2011.pdf) which describes research findings that show that skin prick testing for OAS can be done with either fresh fruit or frozen fruit. So this would suggest to me that frozen fruit could still produce the same allergic response as fresh. > [@Kimstu](#): > > Forgot to mention that frozen cherries are another of my don’t-bother-thawing foods. Dee-licious. However, I don’t have OAS so I can’t tell you if frozen cherries trigger it. Mmmm… I love cherries so much and I miss them. I think when cherries are in season this summer I will have to do a little experimentation. My OAS is really annoying, but it has never affected my breathing. So if I try a small amount of frozen cherries it should be fine. I do it in the name of Science! ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/208 "2012-06-27T11:54:05Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > I RARELY have low blood sugar episodes. Very rarely. I’ve been an insulin dependent diabetic for many, many years, though, and I’m not perfect. Sometimes I do make mistakes. I might try to do too much in one day, and try to deny my limitations. I almost always do carry glucose tablets with me. However, the glucose tablets are a short term fix, meant to stop the episode in a few minutes, and I’m supposed to follow this up by eating some protein and fat. The glucose will hit my blood very quickly, but it will also be processed quickly and if I don’t have a longer acting food in my system, then I’m going to have another damn episode. I’m amazed at all the people who claim to be diabetic who don’t know this. It’s one of the first things I was taught in diabetes education classes. And I’m an insulin dependent diabetic. I don’t think that I ever had a serious low blood sugar episode when I was on just the pills. It’s that fast acting insulin that can drop the blood sugar in just a few minutes’ time. Actually it isn’t “supposed to follow this up by eating some protein and fat”. You are supposed to follow up with something that stabilises the flow of sugar. This may be protein or fat, but can also be a wealth of other things. Diabetes UK writes this on the matter: [http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/My-life/Teens/Me-and-my-diabetes/Getting-my-glucose-right/Hypos/Hypos---what-to-do/](http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/My-life/Teens/Me-and-my-diabetes/Getting-my-glucose-right/Hypos/Hypos---what-to-do/) > [@](#): > > Follow this with half a sandwich, or fruit, or biscuits, or a small bowl of cereal, or your next meal, if it is due, to make sure you don’t have another hypo. Or from the other side of the world: > **[Understanding Hypoglycaemia Unawareness | Diabetes Australia](https://www.diabetesaustralia.com.au/blog/hypoglycaemia-unawareness/)** > > Also known as ‘Impaired Awareness of Hypoglycaemia’, this state refers to your body no longer sending you early warning signs that your blood glucose level (BGL) is low, or when you are no longer recognising symptoms. > [@](#): > > If your next meal is more than 20 minutes away, eat some longer acting carbohydrate. This could be one of the following: > > A sandwich OR > 1 glass of milk or soy milk OR > 1 piece of fruit OR > 2-3 pieces of dried apricots, figs or other dried fruit OR > 1 tub of natural low fat yoghurt OR > 6 small dry biscuits and cheese. Regarding sugar tablets, if you are insulin dependent and are caught without them then I am sorry but you are an idiot. There is no other word for it. If you have been diabetic “for many, many years” and been to classes you should know by now that you keep those things on you at ALL times. No exceptions. Hell, I put a pack in my pocket when going to the store to buy food, which is a whole two minutes from my apartment. Start thinking and acting like a diabetic and people might take your views on diabetes a bit more seriously. /Type-1 diabetic since 1993 ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/209 "2012-06-27T12:30:01Z")
Hell, have a picture of my bag sitting with me here at work: [https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2346328/dextrasol.jpg](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2346328/dextrasol.jpg) That is what a diabetic’s bag should be like. That’s seven packets, you know, just to be sure. That bag pretty much goes with me everywhere and if I need to go somewhere without it I slip a packet into my pocket. This is what you should be doing instead of getting caught without sugar. This is “one of the first things I was taught in diabetes education classes” and I’m damn sure you were too. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/210 "2012-06-27T13:34:53Z")
Curlcoat: Oh ferchrissakes, you really are reaching here. Fresh=raw. fumster: No it doesn’t. Dodgson: “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master - that’s all.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/211 "2012-06-27T14:06:44Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Hell, have a picture of my bag sitting with me here at work: > > [https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2346328/dextrasol.jpg](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2346328/dextrasol.jpg) Can I just say I’m in awe at the lack of other stuff in that bag. It seems that you didn’t clear it out for the photo but _jealous_ Clearly you do not have the gene that causes stuff to expand to fill available space. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/212 "2012-06-27T15:13:27Z")
> [@Moonlitherial](#): > > Can I just say I’m in awe at the lack of other stuff in that bag. It seems that you didn’t clear it out for the photo but _jealous_ > > Clearly you do not have the gene that causes stuff to expand to fill available space. I’ve recently had a few days away and had to do some reorganising. Some stuff is on my desk too … ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/213 "2012-06-27T15:14:15Z")
I’m going to back up curlcoat. I’m allergic to several fruits and veggies - kiwi fruit and eggplant to name two. They are indeed “OAS” - I mean, I’m under an allergist’s care and getting allergy shots and have been since about February. I didn’t know the name of it though! I mean, now if we don’t know the names of things we don’t have them? I also have a shellfish allergy and I bet there’s a fancy-dancy name for that I don’t know either. And don’t really care. All I know is to avoid shrimp. As for the mildness, pah. I can eat 2-3 kiwis in a sitting. I get tingly feelings and swelling around my lips. I know it’s not a deadly allergy like shrimp can be (it can be, but it’s VERY rare) so I will once or twice a year go ahead and eat them. Doesn’t mean I’m not still allergic though! But yeah, food fadists! Hate 'em! ---
**Author:** ![yellowval](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/919ad9/32.png) [@yellowval](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowval)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/214 "2012-06-27T15:22:23Z")
> [@Tibby or Not Tibby](#): > > Hey, I gotta ask, are my posts actually showing up in this thread? I mean, I got off some pretty good zingers upthread, worthy at the very least of a small golf clap. Yet, the only who has responded to any of my posts, is me. I’m virtually aghast that literally no one has responded to anything I’ve written in this thread. I demand a golf clap. Just do it. I’m feeling asthmatic. Your Dr. Pepper and Salt-n-Pepa line made me smile, but I didn’t show any teeth so no golf clap for you. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/215 "2012-06-27T15:26:48Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I’m going to back up curlcoat. I’m allergic to several fruits and veggies - kiwi fruit and eggplant to name two. They are indeed “OAS” - I mean, I’m under an allergist’s care and getting allergy shots and have been since about February. > > I didn’t know the name of it though! I mean, now if we don’t know the names of things we don’t have them? I also have a shellfish allergy and I bet there’s a fancy-dancy name for that I don’t know either. And don’t really care. All I know is to avoid shrimp. > > As for the mildness, pah. I can eat 2-3 kiwis in a sitting. I get tingly feelings and swelling around my lips. I know it’s not a deadly allergy like shrimp can be (it can be, but it’s VERY rare) so I will once or twice a year go ahead and eat them. Doesn’t mean I’m not still allergic though! > > But yeah, food fadists! Hate 'em! Kiwi and eggplant are very common food allergies. Since when do people eat raw eggplant? How could that fall under OAS? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/216 "2012-06-27T15:31:55Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Kiwi and eggplant are very common food allergies. Since when do people eat raw eggplant? How could that fall under OAS? Ah, I missed the line wherein it said “unprocessed foods and veggies”. But my point still stands, as a matter of fact is strengthened. My point was “Just because we don’t know every last detail about our allergies doesn’t mean we don’t have them.” And obviously, I don’t know every last detail! ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/217 "2012-06-27T15:40:21Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I’m going to back up curlcoat. I’m allergic to several fruits and veggies - kiwi fruit and eggplant to name two. They are indeed “OAS” - I mean, I’m under an allergist’s care and getting allergy shots and have been since about February. Are allergy shots supposed to enable you to eventually eat these foods again? I have a friend whose allergies are pretty limited and she said that taking Claritin usually allows her to eat the foods that affect her without having a reaction. I wasn’t always allergic to strawberries and stone fruits, so I know exactly what I’m missing. I would really love to be able to eat them again! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/218 "2012-06-27T16:34:39Z")
I loves me some Dr Pepper, but I can only find the decaffinated version in Diet. I don’t MIND it, but I’d prefer regular. (And I know they make it) ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/219 "2012-06-27T16:45:41Z")
> [@lorene](#): > > Are allergy shots supposed to enable you to eventually eat these foods again? I have a friend whose allergies are pretty limited and she said that taking Claritin usually allows her to eat the foods that affect her without having a reaction. > > I wasn’t always allergic to strawberries and stone fruits, so I know exactly what I’m missing. I would really love to be able to eat them again! Not really…allergy shots aren’t really for food allergies. ☹ They’re for environmental allergies, like insect bites, pollens, dust mites, mold, pet dander, and grasses. I am insanely allergic to dust mites so I am predominantly getting the shots for them. When they measured me, they sent me a little report on my allergies. On it the scale goes from 1 to 100. Shrimp was at, say, 3. Beef, 0.8. Grasses, 1.3. Dust mites were at **50.6**. And I can only go so far in avoidance - they’re ALWAYS there. Food allergies - pretty much if they’re life-threatening you avoid them. I’ve just stopped eating shrimp completely. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037/220 "2012-06-27T16:55:24Z")
> [@Tibby or Not Tibby](#): > > I just wish pigs could re-grow their asses—I really crave a pork butt roast with gluten and peanut sauce. psssst… pork butt comes from the _shoulder_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-fadists-stfu/626037.md?page=12)