# Food Nazis Jess, calm kiwi, yosemite and even sven ... front and center **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 14, 2005, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021 "2005-02-14T16:23:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/421 "2005-02-16T01:25:09Z")
> [@yBeayf](#): > > A hypothetical: suppose you were invited to a dinner party, in which the host was quite fond of 15th-century European cuisine, and were served goose prepared the following way: Heathen Cake is so much better. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/422 "2005-02-16T01:28:50Z")
**yBeayf** I think that’s DEFINITELY not kosher, right? Oh, and in my family, you may get some good natured ribbing (“What? You don’t want pierogies? Oh well, that’s it!” Then we laugh and I’m happy because I get so and so’s share!) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/423 "2005-02-16T01:36:16Z")
> [@shagnasty](#): > > Jews and Muslims are perfectly fine. What is the turn-off for me is the other personality defects that tend to go along with a person that has an irrational or just oversensensitive bias against certain things. **Shagnasty Mirror Shagnasty** ---
**Author:** ![yBeayf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e274bd/32.png) [@yBeayf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yBeayf)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/424 "2005-02-16T01:40:16Z")
> [@](#): > > yBeayf I think that’s DEFINITELY not kosher, right? Heck, not only is it not kosher, it’s not even allowed according to the Noachide laws (i.e. not only do Jews not eat it, they don’t think anybody else should, either). > [@](#): > > Oh, and in my family, you may get some good natured ribbing (“What? You don’t want pierogies? Oh well, that’s it!” Then we laugh and I’m happy because I get so and so’s share!) :eek: There are people who don’t like pierogies? Weirdos! (I kid! Let me state here now that I will never be offended if someone refuses my offer of food or drink. I’m fully aware that just because I like stinky tofu or salted lard or bitter melon or fresh water doesn’t mean that everybody else does, too.) ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/425 "2005-02-16T02:02:25Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Holy shit, I got flamed by **Polycarp**. Maybe I should take it down a notch. > > When I said I didn’t “believe in the gag reflex” I didn’t mean that I literally didn’t believe there was such a physiological response, I meant that I thought some people were greatly exaggerating their food responses in an overly dramatic manner and hyperbolizing their pickiness into some sort of medical condition. > > I know for a fact that some of those food aversions and gag responses are psychosomatic because I’ve had them myself. It took a while for me to realize that I had simply so convinced myself that I wasn’t going to like something that I would gag on it if I tried to eat it. Once I realized that my response was irrational I got over some of my aversions by taking small bites of things, chewing slowly and actally tasting it instead of just _reacting_ to it. > > I also know that some people have genuine physiological problems and I _wasn’t talking about those people_. > > I also want to say, yet again, that I never in real life ever make an issue of anything like this. This is just message board venting. > Now, after having said all that, I’m going to apologize to everyone I’ve insulted in this thread either intentionally or unintentionally and just skulk away from it. > > I’ve been flamed by the best around here but I’ve never felt so chastened as I do now. > > ( **Poly** , this is a completely different subject but FYI, I don’t think you’re a dolt and I’ve usually always tried to temper myself in those Bible crit discussions so as not to appear too supercillious. If I’ve failed at that recently, I apologize. I didn’t know I was doing it.) Thank you. On both counts. And accept my apology for misjudging you. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/426 "2005-02-16T02:06:55Z")
> [@Triskadecamus](#): > > Accept the inevitable fact that if you cannot eat a meal that was prepared in a kitchen where peanuts are stored, then you have to decline a lot of invitations, and that is not a problem with the people who offered the invitation. If you just don’t like much in the way of different foods, then tell the host when you are invited that you cannot attend, but are happy that she thought of you. Then, later, invite them out to a picnic and bring a PBJ and applesauce for both of you. Excellent post, as always, **Tris**. May I observe that if you were speaking apostrophically to the same guest in the above paragraph, that it is probably not incumbent on the picky guest to commit suicide by food-sensitivity anaphylactic shock (the peanuts/PBJ) in order to atone for not being a good guest? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/427 "2005-02-16T03:38:23Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > By “real” sushi do you mean the raw fish kind? I’d never had sashimi or sushi containing raw fish until I moved to Japan, but it turns out I like it much better than most cooked fish. I’m too cheap to get the fancy stuff so I don’t have much experience with that, but I always recommend tekka maki (that’s a sushi roll made with raw tuna, rice, and seaweed) as a good starter for people who’ve never had raw fish before. It’s tasty but not too weird or exotic. Yeah, that’s what I mean by “real” - the kind I tried was made with surimi (a/k/a fake crabmeat) and there was a kind with cooked shrimp, too. I THINK the surimi one is a California Roll, but I wouldn’t swear to that. I also discovered vegetarian sushi, which I like to think of as a rolled up salad 🙂 When I get a little braver the spicy tuna roll is next on my list. > [@Lamia](#): > > Is that wasabi peanuts or wasabi peas? I’ve had the latter, but never seen the former. Peanuts! They were yummilicious, with about a quarter inch layer of wasabi “dough” on the outside. The peas I tried were OK, but the insides have that chalky dried-pea consistency that doesn’t do much for me. A friend of mine has found (get ready to drool) Ginger Wasabi Pecans at Whole Foods, and he is going to send me some to try. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/428 "2005-02-16T03:41:04Z")
I’d just like to say that I don’t care what anyone thinks of my weird diet. Even I think it’s annoying. But I try not to impose, ever. And I try to be as accommodating as I can, all things considered. And as far as I can tell, friends and acquaintances don’t seem too bothered by it. But then again, as my simplest method is to just not participate in social gatherings, I may need to rethink my priorities. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/429 "2005-02-16T03:43:12Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > **uzi** said: > > This is just plain rude and refutes your statement earlier that foodies didn’t go around berating people for the food choices. For all I know, **Uzi** is the nicest guy in the world–but even he states that he was an asshat in this situation. that was my point. If I were to pass your table and see that you were eating say, deviled eggs–I would not say a word, even though I think they are horrible. Well, I should clear things up a bit. This guy is one of the guys I work with. I know him as well as I know anyone here. I’m sorry that didn’t come through. I didn’t want my post being any longer than it was. He was eating like a pig and what he was eating would best be described as ‘baby shit’. Given that, I was razzing him more than what he was eating. Which is why he shrugged as opposed to punching me in the nose. We all eat cafeteria food here unless there is a special function like the goat pull I described in my narrative. Some people love the food in the cafeteria, I had better when I was in the army. At times they can really do things well like the roast beef. It is normally amazing. Somtimes it is shoe leather. I have a rule that I follow that was told to me by another person who works here, “If you can pump it, don’t eat it.” It has served me well and kept me healthy as diahrea is a common occurance here. I used to get hit at least once a shift, now it is every so often. As to being a nice guy: Deep down I am an arrogant, self-absorbed evil motherfucker who would walk by starving children with nary a second thought. I know this and do my best to do and be the exact opposite at all times. Sometimes, I fail. It is a work in progress. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/430 "2005-02-16T03:48:47Z")
Yo, **yBeayf**. . . where’d you find that recipe? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/431 "2005-02-16T03:58:21Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > I’d just like to say that I don’t care what anyone thinks of my weird diet. Even I think it’s annoying. > > But I try not to impose, ever. And I try to be as accommodating as I can, all things considered. And as far as I can tell, friends and acquaintances don’t seem too bothered by it. > > But then again, as my simplest method is to just not participate in social gatherings, I may need to rethink my priorities. I only hope that your user name does not give us any clues as to your “weird diet.” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/432 "2005-02-16T03:58:50Z")
I only ask because it might go well with a nice pint of cock ale. From the _Compleat Housewife_, Eliza Smith, 1758: > [@](#): > > Take 10 gallons of ale and a large cock, the older the better; parboil the cock, flay him, and stamp him in a stone mortar until his bones are broken (you must gut him when you flay him). Then, put the cock into two quarts of sack, and put to it five pounds of raisins of the sun - stoned; some blades of mace, and a few cloves. Put all these into a canvas bag, and a little before you find the ale has been working, put the bag and ale together in vessel. > > In a week or nine days bottle it up, fill the bottle just above the neck and give it the same time to ripen as other ale. Mmmmmm . . . cock-licious. ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/433 "2005-02-16T04:06:39Z")
> [@Polycarp](#): > > Excellent post, as always, **Tris**. May I observe that if you were speaking apostrophically to the same guest in the above paragraph, that it is probably not incumbent on the picky guest to commit suicide by food-sensitivity anaphylactic shock (the peanuts/PBJ) in order to atone for not being a good guest? 😉 Actually, **Poly** those were intended to be specifically contrasting reasons for not accepting an invitaiton. “Cannot eat” and “just don’t like” being alternate examples. I don’t support culinary sepukku. 🙂 Tris ---
**Author:** ![yBeayf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e274bd/32.png) [@yBeayf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yBeayf)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/434 "2005-02-16T04:12:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Yo, yBeayf . . . where’d you find that recipe? I first saw it on alt.tasteless many years back. Alas, the original context is probably lost forever – the original archives from '92 - '96 (maintained by Sean McAfee, IIRC) have long since disappeared, and while Deja archived much, it didn’t archive everything. Most of Pierre Ketteridge’s stuff seems to have vanished, for example 😭. The version I quoted in my post was from some random Google page – I just typed in “recipe live goose fire” and found it on the first hit. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/435 "2005-02-16T04:23:14Z")
Looks like Giambattista Porta and Alessio Piemontese, _Secrets of Nature_, 1660. Very cool, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/436 "2005-02-16T04:31:02Z")
> [@yBeayf](#): > > I first saw it on alt.tasteless many years back. Alas, the original context is probably lost forever – the original archives from '92 - '96 (maintained by Sean McAfee, IIRC) have long since disappeared, and while Deja archived much, it didn’t archive everything. Most of Pierre Ketteridge’s stuff seems to have vanished, for example 😭. > > The version I quoted in my post was from some random Google page – I just typed in “recipe live goose fire” and found it on the first hit. See, that is what I am talking about. You are condemning a recipe without even trying it or even seeing it prepared. I haven’t tasted this one myself but I do have confidence because of the fact that the recipe made it into a “best of” medieval cookbook. My inlaws have an older goose at their farm in New Hampshire. I will see if they are willing to try this next weekend and report back. The only reservation I have is that I know some sure-fire goose recipes and I will catch some flack if this turn out less than great. We will see though. ---
**Author:** ![yBeayf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e274bd/32.png) [@yBeayf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yBeayf)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/437 "2005-02-16T04:41:56Z")
> [@](#): > > See, that is what I am talking about. You are condemning a recipe without even trying it or even seeing it prepared. I haven’t tasted this one myself but I do have confidence because of the fact that the recipe made it into a “best of” medieval cookbook. Dude… the problem I have with it is has nothing to do with its ingredients or what I assume would be its flavor, but with the fact that it involves the slow and painful death of a goose! I have no objection to eating meat, but I like to show it the small kindness of at least killing it before I eat it. Likewise, my problem with tiger penis soup or roasted gorilla hands has to do with the fact that they by necessity involve the deaths of highly endangered animals. When tigers or gorillas are bred like cows and are in no danger of extinction, sure, serve me up. But until then, no. I’d be willing to try placenta. ---
**Author:** ![Nunavut\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e95f7d/32.png) [@Nunavut\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nunavut_Boy)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/438 "2005-02-16T05:32:30Z")
Igunaq, anyone? For those who missed my last post, it’s raw walrus that has been fermented underground for a year. Would you try that? I saw & smelled it once. It looked and smelled exactly like rotten flesh. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/439 "2005-02-16T06:56:21Z")
> [@yBeayf](#): > > Dude… the problem I have with it is has nothing to do with its ingredients or what I assume would be its flavor, but with the fact that it involves the slow and painful death of a goose! I have no objection to eating meat, but I like to show it the small kindness of at least killing it before I eat it. He’s kidding. At least, I HOPE he’s kidding. Please, **Shagnasty** , tell me you’re kidding. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2005, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021/440 "2005-02-16T06:57:50Z")
In my experience, you have to be careful when you choke down something you hate and then compliment the chef. When my father remarried, the first dinner my step mother made for us was sugary canned ham with pineapples and cherries. Disgusting - I hate ham (and canned ham is particularly gelatinous and objectionable) and I have a very weird food hatred for sweet things to touch non sweet things. Probably one of the worst things I’ve ever had to eat, but I ate it and told her it was great. Flash forward to the next visit at Dad’s, step mom says “I made that ham you liked!” _sigh_ I did have a weird experience with a picky eater this Christmas. My mother was hosting a great Christmas dinner with all the traditional fixings. She had to make a prime rib, corn and plain rice for one guest’s date since that’s all he would eat: beef, corn, white rice. My mother is a gracious hostess and accomodated the request, but damn, that’s some limited eating! I have to say that one of the reasons that my boyfriend and I are so happy is we are so compatible - we like the same movies, we have the same sense of humor and we are both vegetarians who like the same food. We happily cook for each other and love all types of ethnic food. I would be unhappy if we didn’t go out for Thai or Chinese or Mexican. Well, he’s not too happy that I hate green peppers, but I don’t try to make him eat beets! My list of foods I refuse to eat: mayo, cottage cheese (too lumpy!), pears (too grainy!), tapioca/rice pudding (LUMPY), green peppers, sweetfoodthattouchesnonsweetfood (sweet and sour, raisins in curry, syrup on bacon etc). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/food-nazis-jess-calm-kiwi-yosemite-and-even-sven-front-and-center/290021.md?page=23)