# Foods/dishes whose name does not compute **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** food-cooking\ **Created:** [April 3, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092 "2023-04-03T16:11:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Blindmellowjelly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindmellowjelly/32/13920_2.png) [@Blindmellowjelly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blindmellowjelly)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/181 "2023-06-12T01:59:47Z")
> [@Blindmellowjelly](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > Typically you’d deep-fry it in a cast iron skillet, then pour off most of the fat and make the gravy in the same pan, sprinkling in some flour to make a roux and then deglazing with milk and/or heavy cream. > > I wouldn’t say ‘deglazing’, you are “liasing a roux” to make a gravy or sauce. > [@Smapti](#): > > Typically you’d deep-fry it in a cast iron skillet, then pour off most of the fat and make the gravy in the same pan, sprinkling in some flour to make a roux and then deglazing with milk and/or heavy cream. And I would say, technically it is a “shallow fry” in a tall brimmed skillet, much the same way, and much the same amount of oil one woukd use in frying chicken, fritters, potato pancakes, breaded fish. Many restaurants, however will use. A deep fat fryer, for convienence and volume. But a real homemadeChicken Fried Steak is made to order on the stove top with three fingers oil, and gravy made with same deepfried breading cracklin’s (little secret, that cracklin’ and grease sludge was the secret to The Colonel’s Gravy, back in the day.) ---
**Author:** ![pirviii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pirviii/32/3233_2.png) [@pirviii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pirviii)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/182 "2023-06-12T03:43:25Z")
> [@Blindmellowjelly](#): > > But a real homemadeChicken Fried Steak is made to order on the stove top with three fingers oil, and gravy made with same deepfried breading cracklin’s That’s how the wife does it. ---
**Author:** ![california\_jobcase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@california\_jobcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/california_jobcase)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/183 "2023-06-12T03:48:44Z")
> [@Blindmellowjelly](#): > > Still no egg, in my egg roll… Isn’t it named for the eggs in the wrapper dough? ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/184 "2023-06-12T03:50:19Z")
> [@carnut](#): > > Shepherd’s Pie does not contain shepherds nor are shepherds the only folk who consume it. > > Same goes for Irish Stew, as far as I’m aware. 🤔 In response to that, the age-old question is “If vegetarians eat vegetables, what to humanitarians eat???” > [@Author\_Balk](#): > > I have never cut myself on sharp cheddar cheese. Nor is dry wine at all dry - it’s rather liquidy, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/185 "2023-06-12T04:03:48Z")
> [@Blindmellowjelly](#): > > But a real homemadeChicken Fried Steak is made to order on the stove top with three fingers oil, and gravy made with same deepfried breading cracklin’s (little secret, that cracklin’ and grease sludge was the secret to The Colonel’s Gravy, back in the day.) Of course, sometimes the gravy will be made with breakfast sausage and its drippings, the same way you would make it for biscuits & gravy. I think this variant probably originated at diners that serve both dishes, because this way they wouldn’t have to have two separate batches of gravy, one with sausage and one without. If you’re eating CFS for breakfast, with eggs and hashbrowns and such, sausage gravy is a nice touch (and I like to throw some on the hashbrowns as well along with shredded cheddar and grilled onions), but if you’re serving it for dinner, with salad and a baked potato or mac & cheese or some other side starch, then the meatless version of the gravy works better IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Blindmellowjelly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindmellowjelly/32/13920_2.png) [@Blindmellowjelly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blindmellowjelly)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/186 "2023-06-12T04:19:52Z")
> [@california\_jobcase](#): > > > [@Blindmellowjelly](#): > > > > Still no egg, in my egg roll… > > Isn’t it named for the eggs in the wrapper dough? Ya know, i hear the name comes from the Original, when they were rolled in egg crepes. Kind of like how manigott has changed into flour roll from egg crepe roll. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/187 "2023-06-12T11:48:16Z")
I wonder why it was not called Fried Chicken Steak. Maybe people would think it’s chicken meat instead of beef. Strangely, that’s what the current name sort-of gives off. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/188 "2023-06-12T13:00:21Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Maybe people would think it’s chicken meat instead of beef. Strangely, that’s what the current name sort-of gives off Hence my original confusion. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/189 "2023-06-12T14:02:20Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Rochester is the home of the garbage plate, which is not garbage until the leftovers are thrown out. That’s debatable. Although, despite living in Rochester for an entire geologic era, I never visited Nick Tahou’s, and never had a garbage plate. But I’ve heard plenty about it… ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/190 "2023-06-12T14:48:24Z")
I would love to try some 30 year old cheddar. I haven’t been able to find any locally, and need to see if there’s some place I can buy it online. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/191 "2023-06-12T15:51:00Z")
Where do you live? I might be able to point you to a source not too far from you, if you’re in the midwest. It’s unlikely you’ll find a 30 year old sample, they don’t come along often. [Hook’s Cheese](https://hookscheese.com/) of Mineral Point WI is offering some 20 year old stuff, but it’s first come, first serve. [Cedar Valley](https://cedarvalleycheesestore.com/) in Random Lake WI currently has 18 year old for sale, and I’ve seen 23 year old specimens there in the past too. They do ship their products via UPS 2nd day air. [Wisconsin Cheese Mart](https://www.wisconsincheesemart.com/) in Milwaukee has 17 year old specimens Many cheese places don’t ship their products in the summer, as they worry about it getting stuck in a 140 degree truck for days, which will overcome even the best insulation at times. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/192 "2023-06-12T19:37:54Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > I’ve seen 23 year old specimens there in the past too. > [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > They do ship their products via UPS 2nd day air. The juxtaposition of these two clauses amuses me. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/193 "2023-06-12T20:33:22Z")
Unfortunately, I’m no longer in the Midwest; when I retired I moved from Chicago to Chapel Hill NC, so I lost access to all the great cheese stores in Wisconsin. I do fly up to Chicago a few times a year, but when I do there’s still the problem of getting to Wisconsin. I certainly understand the problem of summer shipping of perishables. I periodically order from Nuts .com and during the summer they charge extra for cold-pack shipping if they feel it’s necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Author\_Balk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Author\_Balk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Author_Balk)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/194 "2023-06-12T20:38:56Z")
And something I read today. Sugar Plums are not plums. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/195 "2023-06-12T20:41:06Z")
Did not know that. Not sure I’ve ever seen an actual sugar plum. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/196 "2023-06-12T20:58:00Z")
I’ve never seen a sugar plum ever. ---
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/197 "2023-06-12T22:34:59Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Rochester is the home of the garbage plate I’ve been eating something called Garbage Eggs for years. I don’t think the name came from Rochester. It’s basically an omelet or hopple popple made with leftovers. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/198 "2023-06-12T22:56:34Z")
> [@Author\_Balk](#): > > And something I read today. Sugar Plums are not plums. They may have been originally. Sugar Plums started out as candied fruit, and may well have But it got away from that pretty quick > **[Sugar plum](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plum)** > > A sugar plum originated as a piece of dragée or hard candy made of hardened sugar in a small round or oval shape. > "Plum" in the name of this confection does not always mean plum in the sense of the fruit of the same name, but commonly refers to small size and spherical or oval shape. Traditional sugar plums often contained no fruit, but were instead hardened sugar balls. These hardened sugar balls were comfits, and often surrounded a seed, nut, or spice. > The menu for Henry IV of England's 140... ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/199 "2023-06-13T00:46:23Z")
Yeah, not at all similar. But garbage plates by any other name (the original is trademarked) are everywhere in the area and there are a zillion variations, including, somehow, vegetarian. > **[A Garbage Plate by another name: 19 plates around Rochester](https://www.democratandchronicle.com/picture-gallery/lifestyle/rocflavors/2021/03/17/garbage-plate-variations/6953758002/)** > > A pictorial guide to Rochester's plates. Some are similar to the Nick Tahou's original, while others draw inspiration only from the presentation. ---
**Author:** ![Blindmellowjelly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindmellowjelly/32/13920_2.png) [@Blindmellowjelly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blindmellowjelly)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/200 "2023-06-13T02:13:48Z")
CFS is an adverbial adjective. (understood:Beef) Steak prepared like Fried Chicken. That Easy. There are no chicken steaks, net wahr? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092.md?page=11)