# Foods/dishes whose name does not compute **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** food-cooking\ **Created:** [April 3, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092 "2023-04-03T16:11:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/241 "2023-06-14T22:44:24Z")
Yeah, it’s the same frying procedure but you first debone and pound the chicken as you do for chicken-fried steak. Which I suppose technically makes it—and I don’t think there’s a way of conveying this without group-delimiting punctuation—“(chicken-fried steak)-prepped fried chicken”. ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/242 "2023-06-14T23:54:04Z")
There is also chicken fried bacon. > **[Chicken fried bacon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_fried_bacon)** > > Chicken fried bacon consists of bacon strips dredged in batter and deep fried, like chicken fried steak. It is an American dish that was introduced in Texas in the early 1990s. Frank Sodolak of Sodolak's Original Country Inn in Snook, Texas, states that he invented the dish; however, there is a similar recipe in the 1954 cookbook Louisiana Cookery by Mary Land (not the state) which uses salt pork instead of bacon. It is usually served as an appetizer with cream gravy or sausage gravy for di Sodol... The first sentence of that Wikipedia article amuses me – “Chicken fried bacon consists of bacon strips dredged in batter and deep fried, like chicken fried steak.” So, parsing that, it’s bacon that’s fried in the manner of steak that’s fried in the manner of fried chicken. ---
**Author:** ![carnut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnut/32/3531_2.png) [@carnut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnut)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/243 "2023-06-15T01:49:35Z")
Well, faggots does make more sense in British English than in American English. A faggot being a piece of wood used to burn a heretic, and the faggot food being a overly-cooked giant meatball. It is similar to a bland meatloaf. ---
**Author:** ![Blindmellowjelly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindmellowjelly/32/13920_2.png) [@Blindmellowjelly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blindmellowjelly)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/244 "2023-06-15T23:42:36Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > > [@Blindmellowjelly](#): > > > > Chicago University Latke-Hammentaschen debate > > OK, so I looked that up, and why have I not heard of this before? It’s kind of the grandaddy and motivation behind threads here, in many days past, of if a hot dog is considered a “sandwich”, and the true denature of “sandwich” or any bread and filling combination? ---
**Author:** ![Blindmellowjelly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blindmellowjelly/32/13920_2.png) [@Blindmellowjelly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blindmellowjelly)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/245 "2023-06-15T23:53:51Z")
And why, don’t they call a Hoosier Pork Tenderloin Sandwich, a “chicken fried pork schnitzel sangwich”? Always mustard, onions, and pickles. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/246 "2023-06-16T01:22:28Z")
You must be thinking of Chicken Frying Squirrel? ---
**Author:** ![california\_jobcase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@california\_jobcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/california_jobcase)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/247 "2023-07-29T04:54:37Z")
I grew up eating those. We had them every other week for lunch at school. We just called them “tenderloins.” ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/248 "2023-07-29T13:47:16Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Where do you live? I might be able to point you to a source not too far from you, if you’re in the midwest. > > It’s unlikely you’ll find a 30 year old sample, they don’t come along often. [Hook’s Cheese](https://hookscheese.com/) of Mineral Point WI is offering some 20 year old stuff, but it’s first come, first serve. [Cedar Valley](https://cedarvalleycheesestore.com/) in Random Lake WI currently has 18 year old for sale, and I’ve seen 23 year old specimens there in the past too. They do ship their products via UPS 2nd day air. [Wisconsin Cheese Mart](https://www.wisconsincheesemart.com/) in Milwaukee has 17 year old specimens > > Many cheese places don’t ship their products in the summer, as they worry about it getting stuck in a 140 degree truck for days, which will overcome even the best insulation at times. I’m in the northeast, and I’d wait until the weather got cooler to buy any food by mail, but I’m also interested in trying really old cheddar, if you have any suggestions of where i could buy it. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/249 "2023-07-29T14:27:03Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I’m in the northeast, and I’d wait until the weather got cooler to buy any food by mail, but I’m also interested in trying really old cheddar, if you have any suggestions of where i could buy it. My best advice is to contact any/all of those 3 cheese places about shipping you some, once the cold weather starts to set in. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/250 "2023-07-29T19:31:21Z")
What do you even call cheese that old? “Extra” doesn’t seem old enough. “Antediluvian” seems too old. Antique? Ancient? Midlife Crisis? ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/251 "2023-07-29T20:12:55Z")
Clintonian cheddar. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/252 "2023-07-29T20:30:49Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > What do you even call cheese that old? The _elder cheeses_, as in the _elder days_. ---
**Author:** ![Didi44](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@Didi44](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Didi44)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/253 "2023-07-29T20:43:03Z")
_Non-fried spring rolls are typically bigger and more savoury. Unlike fried spring rolls, non-fried ones are typically made by filling the wrapping with pre-cooked ingredients. Traditionally, they are a festive food eaten during the [Cold Food Day festival](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_Food_Festival) and the [Tomb Sweeping Day festival](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingming_Festival) in spring to remember and pay respect to [ancestors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestor_worship). The [Hakka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakka_people) population sometimes also eats spring rolls on the third day of the third month of the [lunar calendar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_calendar) (三月三 sān yuè sān). The wrappings can be a [flour](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flour)-based mix or [batter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batter_(cooking))._ > **[Spring roll](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_roll)** > > Spring rolls are rolled appetizers or dim sum commonly found in Chinese, Vietnamese, Thai and Southeast Asian cuisines. The kind of wrapper, fillings, and cooking technique used, as well as the name, vary considerably depending on the region's culture, though they are generally filled with vegetables and ground beef or pork. > Spring rolls are a seasonal food consumed during the spring; it started as a pancake filled with the new season's spring vegetables, a welcome change from the preserved fo... Edit: There’s also Summer Rolls, which unlike Spring Rolls are never deep fried. ## What Is a Summer Roll? _Unlike spring rolls and egg rolls, summer rolls are served cold (perfect for the summer months) and have a translucent wrapper. These rolls go by many names: Vietnamese spring rolls, summer rolls, [fresh spring rolls](https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/24239/vietnamese-fresh-spring-rolls/), or salad rolls. They’re of Vietnamese-origin, and typically consist of rice noodles, carrots, lettuce, cucumbers, herbs, and shrimp or pork wrapped in a rice-paper wrapper. Summer rolls are typically served with a [peanut](https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/237585/spring-rolls-with-coconut-peanut-sauce/) or [hoisin dipping sauce](https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/256166/homemade-hoisin-sauce/)._ [Spring Rolls, Summer Rolls, and Egg Rolls: What's the Difference?](https://www.allrecipes.com/article/spring-rolls-vs-summer-rolls/#:~:text=Spring%20rolls%20are%20wrapped%20in,has%20egg%20added%20to%20it). ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/254 "2023-07-29T20:52:14Z")
> [@Didi44](#): > > Edit: There’s also Summer Rolls, which unlike Spring Rolls are never deep fried. What is so Rare as a Summer Roll? ---
**Author:** ![Didi44](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@Didi44](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Didi44)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/255 "2023-07-29T21:04:25Z")
Sorry, what is the question? Summer Rolls, Gỏi cuốn are broadly an alternate Vietnamese name for Spring Rolls, usually, but always differing as stated in my post above, the wrapper. At some Vietnamese shops, I’ve seen both Spring and Summer Rolls. Spring Rolls always have shrimp and I believe the Summer Rolls are vegetarian. I believe the sauce is different also. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/256 "2023-07-29T21:26:03Z")
> [@Didi44](#): > > Non-fried spring rolls are typically bigger and more savoury. Unlike fried spring rolls, non-fried ones are typically made by filling the wrapping with pre-cooked ingredients. Traditionally, they are a festive food eaten during the [Cold Food Day festival](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_Food_Festival) and the [Tomb Sweeping Day festival](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingming_Festival) I frequently make cold spring rolls! My gf loves it when I make cold spring rolls. Fake Krab, all sorts of sprouts, minced carrots, etc. Gotta keep Tomb Sweeping Day in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Didi44](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@Didi44](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Didi44)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/257 "2023-07-29T21:34:15Z")
Oddly, my ex-girlfriend’s family used to celebrate Tomb Sweeping Day / Qing Ming / Bai San (Cantonese), but I don’t remember ever having Spring Rolls. In fact, I’ve never had Spring Rolls, fried or not at any sit down Chinese meal I’ve ever had. Like fortune cookies, the only time I’ve had them was from Panda Express or our local Chinese take-out places. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/258 "2023-07-29T21:41:05Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Tomb Sweeping Day I am culturally appropriating Tomb Sweeping Day. Just saying. Tombs need swept, spring rolls are awesome. ---
**Author:** ![mbh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@mbh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mbh)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/259 "2023-07-29T21:49:45Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > The _elder cheeses_, as in the _elder days_. Is the calendar reckoned by the light of the Two Cheese? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2023, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092/260 "2023-07-29T21:50:52Z")
> [@Didi44](#): > > Sorry, what is the question? _What is so rare as a Day in June_ by James Russell Lowell, often misquoted as “What is so rare as a Summer Day?”, combined with “Rare” as meaning “not thoroughly cooked through”. This joke has officially died on the dissecting table. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/foods-dishes-whose-name-does-not-compute/982092.md?page=14)