# Football loses 3 Coaching Icons **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** football-nfl\ **Created:** [January 11, 2024, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947 "2024-01-11T12:47:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/1 "2024-01-11T12:47:48Z")
Bill Belichick after an incredible 24 years, Pete Carroll after 14 years, and Nick Saban after a whopping 17 years are all done coaching for their respective teams. I think each was a great coach in his own right. I believe that, if Brady had played for the Bears instead, he’d have been another Jay Cutler and have zero Super Bowl rings. Saban had a relatively weak team starting this season, and many pundits thought he would have to work hard just to be bowl eligible. Instead, after an opening loss, he ran the table, shocked Georgia in the title game, and literally came out of nowhere to finish in the college football playoffs. Though I never like Pete Carroll because of what happened at USC, I have to respect his record at Seattle. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/2 "2024-01-11T22:27:02Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > and many pundits thought he would have to work hard just to be bowl eligible. Lol, no they didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/3 "2024-01-11T22:34:40Z")
Was I the only one to think. “Damn! Which other great manager died recently, other than Beckenbauer and Venables, to make three?” ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/4 "2024-01-11T22:35:56Z")
Let’s confuse things even more! Damn does Oklahoma need to hire someone again? ---
**Author:** ![xizor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xizor/32/102_2.png) [@xizor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xizor)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/5 "2024-01-11T22:44:22Z")
Pete Carroll is retiring? Time to sell my stock in Big League Chew bubble gun ---
**Author:** ![Dead\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9fc29f/32.png) [@Dead\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dead_Cat)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/6 "2024-01-11T22:45:12Z")
No you weren’t, except I forgot Venables and was including Brazil player and manager Mario Zagallo, who died last week. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/7 "2024-01-11T23:09:22Z")
You don’t wanna do that. Pete Carroll was here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and he’s just been fired from kicking ass. So his gum-chewing will definitely intensify. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/8 "2024-01-11T23:50:28Z")
Saban went out on a high note. I can’t understand what happened with the Patriots? I think Bill Belichick still has the fire in his belly. He’s older and probably tires more easily. It seems like the Patriots talent roster slipped a few notches. They never found another Tom Brady. Is that Bill’s fault or his assistants? Anyway, Bill Belichick changed the game. I didn’t always like his approach but he was successful. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/9 "2024-04-16T03:17:45Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > I believe that, if Brady had played for the Bears instead, he’d have been another Jay Cutler and have zero Super Bowl rings. Brady won a Superbowl with the Buccaneers. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/10 "2024-04-16T11:13:02Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Brady won a Superbowl with the Buccaneers. What does that have to do with the Bears? Non sequitur. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2024, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/11 "2024-04-20T09:16:34Z")
You implied the Brady had nothing to do with Belichick’s success, which is silly. Brady did great without Bill. Bill has done nothing without Brady. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/12 "2024-04-22T11:44:51Z")
That’s your interpretation, which I can honestly say mystifies me. Brady had everything to do with Belichick’s success but, being a good coach, Belichick did a lot to bring out the best in Brady, just like the Walrus brings out the best in Mahomes. There is a reason some coaches have perennially good QBs, and some organizations suffer perennial failure. You can’t attribute decades of failure to “bad luck” or decades of success to “good luck”. If you look at the Packers, they developed Aaron Rodgers for three years before he stepped in for Favre. They also developed Jordan Love three years before he took the field as their starting quarterback. Gee, do you think that might have something to do with their success? The Bears, on the other hand, are going to do what they always do because, unfortunately, their stupidest fans are the loudest. Caleb Williams has been insanely over hyped, so they are going to draft him and throw him out there immediately to face NFL defenses far superior to any defenses he ever faced in college. He won’t really be ready and, if he suffers a lot of early failure, it could damage his confidence to the point where we will have ruined yet another promising QB. They could of drafted him and kept Fields so that he could have been on the sidelines for a season studying NFL defenses and better learning our own system. Then, if Fields didn’t blossom into a star, they could of let Fields go and promote Williams to the starting role. Oh, no, it’s, “Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead!” ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/13 "2024-04-26T16:13:19Z")
Bill Belichick will reportedly be joining Peyton & Eli Manning for their alternate broadcast of MNF games. Which sounds great, it will be fascinating to hear him analyze a game that he’s got no stake in. I assume he and Peyton will get along very well, they’re both super football nerds who demand perfection. Hopefully Bill will also join Peyton in making fun of Eli, and Eli will retaliate by bringing in David Tyree and Ahmad Bradshaw as guests. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/14 "2024-04-26T17:25:39Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > There is a reason some coaches have perennially good QBs And, except for Brady, this absolutely doesn’t describe Bill Belichick. Name the perennially good QBs he had in Cleveland. Or the ones he developed after Brady left. Was Belichick a good coach? Sure. But to paraphrase above, if he’d been in Chicago he’d just be another dude with a middling record who petered out after a few years. ---
**Author:** ![Orville\_mogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/aeb1de/32.png) [@Orville\_mogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orville_mogul)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/15 "2024-04-26T17:40:47Z")
I think the Jets are a perfect example of that 😁 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/16 "2024-05-09T11:57:34Z")
Yeah, it was terrible how the Colts ruined Peyton Manning by throwing him to the wolves as a rookie. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/17 "2024-05-09T12:06:19Z")
The Colts decided they would concentrate almost everything on offense for the first couple of years specifically to give Manning the best chance possible to succeed. Though Manning went 3-13 his first season, which I think qualifies as being “thrown to the wolves”, he turned that around to 13-3 his second season primarily because the Colts had a good running game, a good offensive line, and a good offensive coordinator. Oh, and a great QB. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/18 "2024-05-09T12:10:30Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > Though Manning went 3-13 his first season, which I think qualifies as being “thrown to the wolves”, he turned that around to 13-3 his second season primarily because the Colts had a good running game, a good offensive line, and a good offensive coordinator. Much of this could also be said of his little brother. Rookie season 1-6, next season 11-5 with a good running game and what turned out to be a very good offensive line. Offensive coordinator, not so much, but still. It’s amazing how much easier it is to bounce back from a traumatic rookie season when the team around you is good. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2024, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/football-loses-3-coaching-icons/995947/19 "2024-05-09T12:17:07Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > It’s amazing how much easier it is to bounce back from a traumatic rookie season when the team around you is good. What’s also amazing is that the Bears have perennially failed at doing just that. When the Bears got Cutler, no less a Hall of Famer than John Elway opined that it was the best QB acquisition via trade that the Bears ever made. We then proceeded to give Cutler a horrible offensive line and a different OC every season. There is a famous game where the Bears were at the Giants, and Cutler was sacked NINE TIMES in the FIRST HALF. He didn’t play the second half, and our backup was buffeted around pretty good. The game ended with the Bears, NOT the Giants, running out the clock with exclusive running plays so they could get off the field without suffering further damage.