# For All of the Iron Man Fans... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 4, 2007, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009 "2007-09-04T16:04:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/41 "2007-09-06T01:48:43Z")
[QUOTE=Gozu Tashoya] Someone remind me, is it Fury that pulls the Avengers together in the Ultimates universe? [/QUOTE] Yep. > [@](#): > > On a related note, Ant Man (which is an IP that Marvel has already said they’re going to give the movie treatment) is part of the Ultimate Avengers, no? He’s the same guy as Giant Man, right? If so, then yes. ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/42 "2007-09-06T01:52:29Z")
[QUOTE=Love Rhombus] Yeah, but if they have the “regular” Nick Fury in another movie, how will the non-comic fans understand it? [/QUOTE] No one seemed to have a problem with Harvey Dent going from [black](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001850/) to [white](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000169/). ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/43 "2007-09-06T02:41:25Z")
[QUOTE=Amp] No one seemed to have a problem with Harvey Dent going from [black](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001850/) to [white](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000169/). [/QUOTE] Except for a fact that they were both badly-acted and badly-written in two bad movies. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/44 "2007-09-06T03:03:27Z")
For that matter, I don’t think anyone complained about a black Catwoman. No, not that one… Eartha Kitt. ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/45 "2007-09-06T03:39:11Z")
[QUOTE=Chronos] For that matter, I don’t think anyone complained about a black Catwoman. No, not that one… Eartha Kitt. [/QUOTE] That was before the Internet, though! If they had message boards in 1967 or whenever, you’d probably hear a fanboy din that dwarfed any of the Halle Berry/Catwoman or Michael Clarke Duncan/Kingpin complaints. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/46 "2007-09-06T18:59:04Z")
Who does Iron Man fight, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/47 "2007-09-06T21:27:51Z")
[QUOTE=msmith537] Who does Iron Man fight, anyway? [/QUOTE] Irons. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/48 "2007-09-06T21:30:34Z")
[QUOTE=msmith537] Who does Iron Man fight, anyway? [/QUOTE] Johnny Walker. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/49 "2007-09-06T21:50:37Z")
[QUOTE=msmith537] Who does Iron Man fight, anyway? [/QUOTE] The DTs. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/50 "2007-09-06T22:31:47Z")
Wikipedia helpfully offers a list of noteworthy [Iron Man enemies](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iron_Man_enemies), which may be loosely categorized into “Russians,” “Chinese,” “rival corporations,” and “miscellaneous.” However, most of the above also fall into the category of “no one you’ve ever heard of.” The only two really memorable ones are [M.O.D.O.K.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MODOK)\* (because when you contemplate the ultimate killing machine, you immediately think “Of course! A giant levitating cyborg fetus!”-- at least, if you’re Jack Kirby) and [Fin Fang Foom](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fin_Fang_Foom) (because when you contemplate the ultimate symbol of Chinese nationalistic aggression, you immediately think “Of course! A giant dragon!” --at least, if you’re Jack Kirby. …Well okay, you don’t have to be Jack Kirby to come up with that one). Rumor has it that neither M.O.D.O.K nor Fin Fang Foom will be appearing in the movie. Alas. \*Mental Organism Designed Only for Killing ---
**Author:** ![H3Knuckles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@H3Knuckles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/H3Knuckles)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/51 "2007-09-07T01:49:01Z")
I’ve always wondered why Iron Man wasn’t seen fighting Dr. Doom on a more regular basis. Rich head of a multinational corporation that is actively envolved in Arms research, who fights crime and international threats in a robotic suit of armor. Belligerent, Machiavellian despot of a second-world nation with expansionist aims who leads his armies in a robotic suit of armor. …maybe it’s just me, but they always seemed like a better match-up than Iron Man vs. the Mandarin (who’s power is magic based), or Fantastic Four vs. Doom (but I’m biased, because I like Doom, and loathe the FF). PS. I just want to go on record supporting **Love Rhombus** in saying the Rocketeer does rule. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rocketeer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocketeer/32/4437_2.png) [@Rocketeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rocketeer)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/52 "2007-09-07T13:50:14Z")
[QUOTE=H3Knuckles] PS. I just want to go on record supporting **Love Rhombus** in saying the Rocketeer does rule. 😃 [/QUOTE] Gawrsh! Thanks! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/53 "2007-09-11T17:09:55Z")
[QUOTE=H3Knuckles] I’ve always wondered why Iron Man wasn’t seen fighting Dr. Doom on a more regular basis. Rich head of a multinational corporation that is actively envolved in Arms research, who fights crime and international threats in a robotic suit of armor. Belligerent, Machiavellian despot of a second-world nation with expansionist aims who leads his armies in a robotic suit of armor. …maybe it’s just me, but they always seemed like a better match-up than Iron Man vs. the Mandarin (who’s power is magic based), or Fantastic Four vs. Doom (but I’m biased, because I like Doom, and loathe the FF [/QUOTE] Doom’s suit isn’t robotic, is it? At least not in the comic books. Doom’s a sorcerer there, and the suit is more for protection with a couple of mechanical gimmicks IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![H3Knuckles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ba8739/32.png) [@H3Knuckles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/H3Knuckles)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2007, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009/54 "2007-09-12T00:31:48Z")
Er… had a weird problem with the board this afternoon. Gonna re-write the post and hope it goes through this time. [QUOTE=Sean Factotum] Doom’s suit isn’t robotic, is it? At least not in the comic books. Doom’s a sorcerer there, and the suit is more for protection with a couple of mechanical gimmicks IIRC. [/QUOTE] Huh, you’re right. Doom does have powered armor, but I’d completely forgotten he used magic too. I don’t know why, but I’ve always thought of him as being more the mad-scientist with doom machine type than a sorceror. Then again, as I said earlier, I didn’t regularly follow the titles he’d show up in often. I mostly followed the various X-series and stuff like Ghost Rider, Morbius, and Werewolf-by-Night. I’d go through off-and-on phases of fanatically following Spiderman and Punisher, as well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-of-the-iron-man-fans/418009.md?page=2)