# For all the CREED haters, here's more fuel for the fire.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [April 23, 2003, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590 "2003-04-23T14:26:15Z")
**Posts on this page:** 13
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### Author:  [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2003, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/1 "2003-04-23T14:26:15Z")
Creed fans want money back. Thought singer was drunk but later realized that [Creed sucks](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/creedsuit1.html). (Thanks to Fark)
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### Author:  [@Ivar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ivar)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2003, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/2 "2003-04-23T15:45:44Z")
Classic!
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### Author:  [@Payton\_s\_Servant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Payton_s_Servant)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2003, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/3 "2003-04-23T15:58:20Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Knowed Out \*
> \*\*Creed fans want money back. Thought singer was drunk but later realized that [Creed sucks](http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/creedsuit1.html). (Thanks to Fark) \*\*
Jealousy’s an ugly thing.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2003, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/4 "2003-04-23T16:03:37Z")
So now he thinks he’s Jim Morrison? I thought he thought he was the Messiah. Whatever.
I love this excerpt from the band’s e-mail apology:
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> “there has been much concern about Scott’s health and we want to assure everyone that he is doing very well and is taking a much needed break at home in Orlando.” The band’s e-mail concluded on an upbeat note: “For now we hope that you can take some solace in the fact that you definitely experienced the most unique of all Creed shows and may have become part of the unusual world of rock and roll history!”
I gues “most unique” is a synonym for most suck-ass, and that’s saying a lot when it comes to Creed.
I also like how they try to gloss Stapp’s substance abuse problem as a “health” issue. There was nothing in the band’s public statement which really tried to explain anything, they just tried to turn it around like the audoence had exprrienced some kind of special rock and roll “moment” and they should be grateful. How insulting. Of course,I might say that anyone who would pay good money for a Creed ticket should _expect_ a crappy show, but I suppose they were entitled to hear Stapp babble his junior high school poetry into a microphone once they paid for it. I can’t wait to watch the _Behind the Music_ episode on Creed in a few more years.
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### Author:  [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2003, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/5 "2003-04-23T16:25:25Z")
I’m confused with why people see Creed in the first place. If you want to hear Pearl Jam, just go see THEM.
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### Author:  [@dorkusmalorkusmafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dorkusmalorkusmafia)
#### Post date: [April 23, 2003, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/6 "2003-04-23T16:48:39Z")
I thought I heard this on NPR several weeks ago. Anyway, there is no need to add more fuel to the Creed-hating fire since they are already made of gasoline.
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### Author:  [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2003, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/7 "2003-04-24T05:32:27Z")
Even Jesus hates Creed.
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### Author:  [@ratty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratty)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2003, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/8 "2003-04-24T05:58:20Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Payton’s Servant \*
> \*\*Jealousy’s an ugly thing. \*\*
So wait, you’re saying that anyone who doesn’t like a band must be jealous? Has it ever occurred to you that maybe they just don’t like the music?
:rolleyes:
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### Author:  [@Fingolfin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fingolfin)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2003, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/9 "2003-04-24T11:48:33Z")
Nope. Not gonna do it. Not gonna jump on the “Creed Hating” bandwagon.
I’ll admit it. **I like Creed**! I thought their first album was the best debut album by a rock band since **Appetite for Destruction**. That’s right, you heard me! I thought their second album was a great follow-up. Major props for avoiding the “sophmore slump” that plagues so many bands. **Higher** was a perfect AOR Rock song; big, fat, juicy hooks. **With Arms Wide Open** was the best damn Rock Power Ballad since the glory days of Steve Perry. Not afraid to admit that I like Power Ballads either. Their last album was up to the same quality as the first two, but contained some really good songs. “My Sacrifice”, another Modern Rock smash.
I think their guitarist is one of the most underrated guitar players in Modern Rock. Excellent technique, first-rate “hook inventor”, good stage presence.
I think their drummer kicks ass!
And yes, dare I say it…Scott Stapp is an “A Level” front man!
Ok, fire away. 😉
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### Author:  [@Cubsfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cubsfan)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2003, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/10 "2003-04-24T12:22:36Z")
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> \*Originally posted by Fingolfin \*
> \*\*I think their guitarist is one of the most underrated guitar players in Modern Rock. Excellent technique, first-rate “hook inventor”, good stage presence.
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I agree. I am pretty much all-metal, all the time, but I think Mark Tremonti is an excellent guitar player who somehow pulls epic riff after epic riff out of thin air song after song. The rest of the band is forgetable, but Mark is a good guitarist who unfortunately gets lumped in as “shitty Creed”.
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### Author:  [@Gorgon\_Heap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorgon_Heap)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2003, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/11 "2003-04-24T12:25:33Z")
**Marley23** , please don’t insult Pearl Jam like that.
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### Author:  [@gex\_gex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gex_gex)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2003, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/12 "2003-04-24T13:16:44Z")
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> _originally posted by Fingolfin_
> I thought their first album was the best debut album by a rock band since Appetite for Destruction.
Me too! Almost. I thought it was the _worst_ debut album by a rock band since Appetite for Destruction.
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### Author:  [@bayonet1976](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bayonet1976)
#### Post date: [April 24, 2003, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-the-creed-haters-heres-more-fuel-for-the-fire/170590/13 "2003-04-24T13:24:47Z")
For what is worth, Creed, way back before they hit it very big, played at Universal City Walk in Orlando. It was “street” concerts, about 20 minutes or so, not bad, not great, groups play there all the time. Afterwards the group would hang out at Cigarz, and they were as nice as can be, including the lead singer. Talking to all, smiling, having pictures taken. Maybe fame has changed them.