# for all you France haters out there **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 25, 2003, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-you-france-haters-out-there/164037 "2003-03-25T15:59:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-you-france-haters-out-there/164037/41 "2003-03-27T20:07:48Z")
For all of you who so cleverly point out the Iraqis didn’t crask a plane into NYC, the mural of 9/11 in his military headquarters certainly does point out that, if he wasn’t linked to it, he admired it enough to erect a shrine to it. Not exactly an innocent lamb, now, is he? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-you-france-haters-out-there/164037/42 "2003-03-27T20:30:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by singular1 \* > \*\*For all of you who so cleverly point out the Iraqis didn’t crask a plane into NYC, the mural of 9/11 in his military headquarters certainly does point out that, if he wasn’t linked to it, he admired it enough to erect a shrine to it. Not exactly an innocent lamb, now, is he? \*\* That’s just about the biggest/dumbest leap of logic I’ve ever seen/read. I’m sure he painted that personally. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![kenibbling\_pin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3be4f8/32.png) [@kenibbling\_pin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenibbling_pin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-you-france-haters-out-there/164037/43 "2003-03-27T20:58:08Z")
Didn’t I hear about a anti-war rally in france smashing a monument for the 9-11 disaster? Or was that more Fox droppings? ---
**Author:** ![DrLizardo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5fc32e/32.png) [@DrLizardo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrLizardo)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-you-france-haters-out-there/164037/44 "2003-03-27T21:00:28Z")
World Eater: in a country as tightly controlled as Iraq, I don’t think it’s that big/dumb a leap of logic. While I doubt he painted it personally (who knows, maybe he’s a frustrated artist like a certain Austrian from Linz was???) it clearly would never have been there without his blessing; and most likely his direction. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-you-france-haters-out-there/164037/45 "2003-03-27T21:30:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kenibbling pin \* > \*\*Didn’t I hear about a anti-war rally in france smashing a monument for the 9-11 disaster? > > Or was that more Fox droppings? \*\* Nope that happened. Did you hear about the antiwar protest in the US where they smashed a 9/11 tribute? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-you-france-haters-out-there/164037/46 "2003-03-27T21:34:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrLizardo \* > \*\*World Eater: in a country as tightly controlled as Iraq, I don’t think it’s that big/dumb a leap of logic. > > While I doubt he painted it personally (who knows, maybe he’s a frustrated artist like a certain Austrian from Linz was???) it clearly would never have been there without his blessing; and most likely his direction. \*\* Actually AFAIK Saddam is a writer not a painter. Saddam, like many others in the world, was probably thrilled with 9/11, but so what? That just proves to me that he his a sadistic asshole, nothing more nothing less, and I’ve know that for over a decade. ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-you-france-haters-out-there/164037/47 "2003-03-28T00:16:42Z")
What a stupid post. And it’s even awfully photoshopped–the proportions are wrong, the physics are wrong, looks like it was thrown together in like 5 minutes, etc. Even if you were inclined to enjoy anti-French stuff, this is just poorly executed. ---
**Author:** ![clairobscur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clairobscur](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clairobscur)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-you-france-haters-out-there/164037/48 "2003-03-28T02:58:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > \*\* > > By the French surrendering, Paris came out of the war as just about the only European capital without catastrophic damage. > \*\* Nitpick : Paris was declared an “open city” and occupied by the germans before France surrendered (this happened after an attempt to form a defensive line along the Loire river, in the middle of France, failed). In any case, it was only a matter of days before the whole country would be occupied (what was still under french control at this point was essentially Britanny, the Maginot line, the Alps and the south-west quarter of France in which the germans divisions were rushing unnoposed. The government was installed in the port of Bordeaux) . “Not surrendering” wouldn’t have meant going on fighting in France, but having a government in exile keeping control of the french colonies and of the french fleet, and still at war with Germany. So, surrender or not, Paris wouldn’t have been damaged. What preserved it was the decision, taken some days before, to declare it an open city instead of fighting in it. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2003, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-you-france-haters-out-there/164037/49 "2003-03-28T13:56:39Z")
And thank God it was saved. The world would have lost one of it’s great cities. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-all-you-france-haters-out-there/164037.md?page=2)