# For Better or For Worse 8/11 & 8/12 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 12, 2005, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731 "2005-08-12T15:00:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2005, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/61 "2005-08-14T14:21:50Z")
Happened to me in the late 1980s - after Anita Hill put the issue in the spotlight. RickJay is right. I saw a woman get fired for bringing up the issue in the late 1990s. And Can’t may have easily sued, and every guy she ever flirted with in a bar, every short term relationship, every above the knee skirt she wore would have been hauled out. I just studied a recent case in a business class where a woman sued and won - and got $33,000 after attorney bills - for significantly worse sexual harrassment, lost her job, needed therapy. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/62 "2005-08-15T12:13:56Z")
And today’s strip indicates that this thing is going to go public. We’ve now got five people who know of the specific incident. Legal action, methinks, is coming. ---
**Author:** ![av8rmike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/edb3f5/32.png) [@av8rmike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/av8rmike)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/63 "2005-08-15T12:16:49Z")
Is Anthony copping a feel in the second panel of the 8/13 comic? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Q.N.Jones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/3da27b/32.png) [@Q.N.Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.N.Jones)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2005, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/64 "2005-08-15T13:38:25Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Happened to me in the late 1980s - after Anita Hill put the issue in the spotlight. RickJay is right. In generaly, yes, but not in this particular situation. I notice no one has commented on my previous post, in which I pointed out that _none_ of the usual “external” worries about reporting a harasser are true for Liz. There’s only one thing that kept her from reporting him (as she has said to Anthony): her “internal” desire to believe that Howard was good and everything would be alright. This was quite foolish, as we’ve discussed above. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2005, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/65 "2005-08-16T08:39:08Z")
Well, check out Tuesday’s strip. This couldn’t be any more blatant if LJ put Liz and Anthony’s initials inside a heart with an arrow through it. And wrong is being piled upon wrong. First it’s something to joke about: “Oh, tee-hee; I’m not the only one he’s rubbed the wrong way!” and now the other workers, who didn’t even witness the attack, are going to give **their** version of it to Lawrence. Great. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2005, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/66 "2005-08-17T00:53:12Z")
someone just slipped on the slippery slope! ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2005, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/67 "2005-08-17T01:46:50Z")
I keep wanting Warren (the aforementioned helicopter guy) to come back, and for Liz to come to her senses and go be with him. And I also want Liz to stop being drawn like she’s still a teenager, and Anthony to stop being drawn like he’s middle aged (the mustache has to go!). The way the characters look, the potential romance between them seems creepy at times. It’s bugged me for a while now. ---
**Author:** ![Stillwell\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/96bed5/32.png) [@Stillwell\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stillwell_Angel)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2005, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/68 "2005-08-17T01:58:41Z")
> [@Misnomer](#): > > and Anthony to stop being drawn like he’s middle aged (the mustache has to go!). The way the characters look, the potential romance between them seems creepy at times. It’s bugged me for a while now. This has bugged me too. Anthony looks older than Liz’s father. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/69 "2005-08-17T02:14:32Z")
> [@Stillwell Angel](#): > > This has bugged me too. Anthony looks older than Liz’s father. :eek: I think living with that bitch wife has aged him. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2005, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/70 "2005-08-17T02:19:39Z")
Oh, god…Anthony’s mustache is like Comic Fashion Don’t #1. I’ve felt that way since it first showed up. It’s godawful, and I LIKE facial hair on men! ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/71 "2005-08-19T14:06:01Z")
8/19 update - Howard has been fired, and charges will be filed. Brian ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2005, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/72 "2005-08-19T14:15:14Z")
I was wondering if Lizzie would have to worry about Howard stalking her. Now it seems the whole Howard plot line was just a setup to get Anthony back in the picture with his heroics. I’ll say it again – I can’t believe the way I get into these story arcs, worrying about fictional characters! ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/73 "2005-08-21T02:48:10Z")
Today: Looks like Liz has mellowed out, forgotten about her stalker troubles, and is ready to contemplate her navel. I want Kortney to come through the door with a gun about now. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2005, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/74 "2005-08-21T23:10:08Z")
> [@Ukulele Ike](#): > > Today: Looks like Liz has mellowed out, forgotten about her stalker troubles, and is ready to contemplate her navel. Well, burning your mom’s casserole can have a way of shaking you up and putting things into perspective. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2005, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/75 "2005-08-21T23:32:27Z")
[http://www.websnark.com/archives/2005/08/am\_i\_weird\_beca.html](http://www.websnark.com/archives/2005/08/am_i_weird_beca.html) I agree with this perspective on it. She’s overloaded. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/76 "2005-08-22T02:14:30Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > I agree with this perspective on it. She’s overloaded. Eh. To quote a real-life Famous Author I yusta work with, “Real life is why we have NOVELS.” ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/77 "2005-08-22T10:42:24Z")
And now we’re off to another storyline, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Boggette](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@Boggette](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boggette)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/78 "2005-08-22T15:16:27Z")
The 7/22 comic had a foreshadowing that Therese might be up to something. My bet is that she’ll be shown to have been having an affair. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/79 "2005-08-22T15:47:31Z")
> [@Boggette](#): > > The 7/22 comic had a foreshadowing that Therese might be up to something. My bet is that she’ll be shown to have been having an affair. 😕 The 7/22 comic is April on her uncle’s farm, talking to her cousin about the horses. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2005, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-better-or-for-worse-8-11-8-12/316731/80 "2005-08-22T15:51:34Z")
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