# For David B, the good Doctor and others who are knowledgable about Creation debate **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 12, 1999, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218 "1999-11-12T22:37:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SterlingNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@SterlingNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SterlingNorth)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 1999, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/21 "1999-11-14T13:59:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Pat Robertson encourages his followers to violate the law, and post the Ten Commandments in schools How 'bout making the kids do it. Some minister down here is promoting something called “Ten Commandments Day.” Basically it entails of having school aged children (from Kindergardeners up to High School Seniors) wear shirts with the Commandments on it _and_ presenting a plaque of the commandments to their teachers and principal requesting them to post it in their classrooms and office. I’d have more information, but it was on the WUSA-TV four o’clock news which I missed, where this minister was debating somebody (probably from the Separation of Church and State foundation). The only part which I remember was when the Separation guy asked whether or not he’d support the posting of the tenents of Budha, or Wicca, the minister guy said, “well, the fact is our country was founded on Christian Values” so bugger off. I’ll try to find more information. * * * If all else fails, immortality can always be assured by spectacular error. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 1999, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/22 "1999-11-16T01:18:00Z")
RTFirefly wrote: > [@](#): > > For anyone unfamiliar with that bit of eschatology: conventional history, according to Biblical literalists, is supposed to end with a seven-year period called the Tribulation, during which all hell breaks loose on earth. (See the Book of Revelation for details.) > > At some point before things get too bad, Jesus is supposed to descend from the clouds, and the Christian faithful, alive and deceased, are supposed to be whisked up into the air to meet him in the sky, and be taken bodily up into heaven. Well, not **all** of the Christian faithful. According to Revelation 7:4, only 144,000 Christians are going to be Raptured. And Revelation 14:4 says that all of them will be virgin males. Well, that disqualifies me and Jerry Falwell. * * * Quick-N-Dirty Aviation: Trading altitude for airspeed since 1992. ---
**Author:** ![Doobieous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/da6949/32.png) [@Doobieous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doobieous)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 1999, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/23 "1999-11-16T01:36:00Z")
> [@](#): > > According to Revelation 7:4, only 144,000 Christians are going to be Raptured. And Revelation 14:4 says that all of them will be virgin males. > > Well, that disqualifies me and Jerry Falwell. Wow, well i guess all of those preachers on TV are going to have to slug it out with the rest of us “unchosen”. Oh and don’t jehova’s witnesses believe that their ilk will be the 144,000? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 1999, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/24 "1999-11-16T15:04:00Z")
The way I’ve heard it interpreted; the 144,000 are Jews,and they are singled out to be witnesses during the tribulation,after the Rapture.So don’t worry. Maybe 1 of them is Howard Stern! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 1999, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/25 "1999-11-16T22:39:00Z")
Doobieous wrote: > [@](#): > > Oh and don’t jehova’s witnesses believe that their ilk will be the 144,000? That’s gonna be a little difficult, since, according to the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ own website, [http://www.watchtower.org/statistics/worldwide\_report.htm](http://www.watchtower.org/statistics/worldwide_report.htm) , there were 5.8 million Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide in 1998. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 1999, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/26 "1999-11-16T22:57:00Z")
I can’t believe I disregarded my own advice, and have posted on two short threads on the [leftbehind](http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-local/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=8&forum=The+Narrow+Road&DaysPrune=10&startpoint=0) site. Today, I mentioned that Biblical inerrancy is a man-made concept (true), hence not deserving of any particular respect. So far, not a whole lot of response, but the post hasn’t been there long. We’ll see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 1999, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/27 "1999-11-16T23:12:00Z")
What topic did you post under, RTF? ---
**Author:** ![TheDude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d6d6ee/32.png) [@TheDude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheDude)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/28 "1999-11-17T00:28:00Z")
jab1: > [@](#): > > And both George W. Bush and Al Gore want the schools to teach both Creationism and evolution. I’m really curious to see a reference for this. I don’t disbelieve you, I’m just very interested in seeing if it’s really true. TheDude ---
**Author:** ![Satan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Satan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/29 "1999-11-17T00:54:00Z")
RTFirefly: Please put direct links here to the threads you posted. It’s a lot to weed through, and I - since I feel somewhat responsible for your actions - would like to monitor it from afar. I’m sure others would as well… * * * Yer pal, Satan ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/30 "1999-11-17T01:04:00Z")
I don’t mean to make fun of anybody, I really don’t. But [Rapture and Pets?](http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum3/HTML/002254.html) * * * Livin’ on Tums, Vitamin E and Rogaine ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/31 "1999-11-17T01:24:00Z")
To **TheDude** : Simply click on this link to The Gallup Poll: [www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr990830.asp](http://www.gallup.com/poll/releases/pr990830.asp) The very first paragraph reads, in part: > [@](#): > > …the willingness of Gov. Bush and V.P. Gore to support the teaching of creationism in public schools… * * * Fighting my own ignorance since 1957. ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/32 "1999-11-17T01:27:00Z")
Oh, one other thing: The murder rate in Japan and Western Europe is much lower than ours. Is it because they post the Ten Commandments in their schools or is it something else? 😉 * * * Fighting my own ignorance since 1957. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@The\_Peyote\_Coyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Peyote_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/33 "1999-11-17T01:33:00Z")
Why not, manhattan? I think my cats have a better chance of making it to heaven than I do. * * * Armed, dangerous… and off my medication. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/34 "1999-11-17T01:44:00Z")
Both Bush and Gore said something about teaching creationism in the school. Gore’s spokesperson then did a quick backpedal and said that he meant teaching it in a comparitive religion course or something like that. Bush didn’t backpedal. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/35 "1999-11-17T16:01:00Z")
Satan, Andros - sorry about that. Pick the topic, “Biblical errors?” under the link I gave above. I’m posting as ‘nightmare’, but you’d have figured that out on your own. It’s near the top - I’ve started to get some (weak) responses. I also posted on a thread ‘This used to be Family Television’ or some such, a few days ago, but that topic seems to have gone dormant. P.S. Don’t worry, Brian, I’m being well-behaved. Fundamentalists are people too, after all, and deserve to be treated as such - even if they don’t always take that attitude towards those they have no use for. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/36 "1999-11-17T16:09:00Z")
manhattan - the ‘Rapture and Pets’ thread is high comedy: “One question, Have your dogs and cats realized they are sinners and asked jesus to forgive them and come into thier hearts?” I love it. Or, “Dogs will go - cats won’t.” Of course, cats wouldn’t _need_ to be raptured; they’re already divine. Like the dolphins in _Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy_, they can arrange their own escape from the destruction of the Earth, whatever form it takes. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Satan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Satan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/37 "1999-11-17T16:18:00Z")
David: To finally answer your question about “what the hell brought me to that board,” someone who came here from that board! If you look for the “Aphids” thread in Comments on Celcil’s Columns started by one Kat2, as well as at the end of my infamous “You’re NOT a good Christian…” thread, you will see the details… * * * Yer pal, Satan ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/38 "1999-11-17T19:16:00Z")
RTFirefly wrote: > [@](#): > > manhattan - the ‘Rapture and Pets’ thread is high comedy: “One question, Have your dogs and cats realized they are sinners and asked jesus to forgive them and come into thier hearts?” I love it. Or, “Dogs will go - cats won’t.” Not only that, but the very very first sentence posted in that thread was: “I am sure this question has come up a thousand times…” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/39 "1999-11-17T21:16:00Z")
The scary thing, tracer, is that it probably has! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 1999, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/40 "1999-11-17T22:35:00Z")
**RTFirefly** : Velikovsky? Velikovsky? You are _so_ going to hell. Let me know when you get there; I’ll buy you a beer. * * * Livin’ on Tums, Vitamin E and Rogaine [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218.md?page=3)