# For David B, the good Doctor and others who are knowledgable about Creation debate

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [November 12, 1999, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218 "1999-11-12T22:37:00Z")\
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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/521 "1999-12-17T00:50:00Z")

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I put up some posts about tolerance on the thread Falcon pointed to; now I think I’m out of there again.

As I said back on p.1 of this thread, nearly five weeks ago, “I read a few of the [LBMB] posts, and concluded that it might be easier to persuade a brick wall than to talk with that group.” I think we’ve all reaffirmed how true that is. (And I sure wish I hadn’t ignored my better judgment; boy howdy, have I wasted a lot of time and energy banging my head against that wall.)

You live, you learn… 🙂

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**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/522 "1999-12-17T01:00:00Z")

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MikeM’s last response to Nightmare was possibly the most amazingly rude post I’fe seen over there. Well, except from Thomas, of course.

'Fraid you’re not a real Christian, RTF.

Bail while the bailin’s good, folks. LBMB is not worth getting stressed over.

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**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/523 "1999-12-17T02:44:00Z")

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There’s a relatively-new topic in the Narrow Road forum called “Satan is a NERD!!!”.

Well, are you, Brian? 🙂

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**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/524 "1999-12-17T03:14:00Z")

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Hoo boy.

At the start of this thread: [http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum8/HTML/001382.html](http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum8/HTML/001382.html) , Carma Lardent says:

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> I for one, am sick and tired of this board being abused by the enemy. I suggest we take this board back for GOD’S GLORY, by prayer.

Yep, they gotta take this board back from all those infidels who think that evolution and Christianity might not be incompatible.

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**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/525 "1999-12-17T04:01:00Z")

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Dare y’all to sign up for one of Carma’s prayer-sessions…go on…OK, I Double-Dare ya!

I can see her answer now…_No, you can’t pray with us–you’re the people we’re praying AGAINST!_

-David

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/526 "1999-12-17T12:54:00Z")

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SoulFrost:

Assuming they are Christian (and yes, I do realize that could be a baseless assumption), they are not praying _against_ you but _for_ you. As RT might likely point out, it is only natural that they do so.

“Love your enemies. Pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in Heaven.” — Jesus

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“It is lucky for rulers that men do not think.” — Adolf Hitler

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**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/527 "1999-12-17T13:05:00Z")

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Soulfrost: Ok, I did it. Now, whaddaya gonna give me?

(I told them I’d pray for more tolerance and understand of message board users so they stop chasing good, intelligent, kind, Christian people away from this board.)

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**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/528 "1999-12-17T13:09:00Z")

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Andros – which thread is the one in which Mike flamed Nightmare?

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**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/529 "1999-12-17T13:09:00Z")

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Libertarian, I must protest the widening of the definition of love to mean _Whatever we deem to be the T_R_U_T_H shall be put upon others, and whatever means we use to further the T_R_U_T_H shall be called love._ The message board referd to is not open to ideas, and those who try to introduce ideas different from their own are called tools of the devil, or even Satan Himself! Right now one these “loving” people is trying to exorcise the board through a massive prayer-in, with much support and little, if _any_, opposition. They are not much on personal philosophy, but usually fall back on biblical verses, the more the better.

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**Author:** ![Falcon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/49beb7/32.png) [@Falcon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falcon)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/530 "1999-12-17T16:36:00Z")

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DavidB -

It’s the one I posted a link to above…the one with Bishop in it.

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“Jesus Mary Joseph…you’re a biker chick!” - co-worker, upon hearing of my tattoo.

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 1999, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/531 "1999-12-18T06:30:00Z")

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slythe:

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> The message board [referred] to is not open to ideas, and those who try to introduce ideas different from their own are called tools of the devil, or even Satan Himself!

I can understand falling into such a pit by accident, but I cannot imagine hanging around in it.

I don’t know if I can help, but you might try quoting Matthew 7:6 to them: “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.”

## With that, you can play off the whole pot and kettle thing for a while.

“It is lucky for rulers that men do not think.” — Adolf Hitler

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**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 1999, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/532 "1999-12-18T06:35:00Z")

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Matthew 7:6 is one of their favorites when they don’t want to talk to you. You should _see_ what they do the “I come not to bring peace, but with a sword” cite. I’ve seen it used to excuse some outsight nastiness.

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**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 1999, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/533 "1999-12-18T06:36:00Z")

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out_right_, I meant.

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/534 "1999-12-17T19:06:00Z")

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Gaudere:

You realize, of course, that if I posted there, they would likely consider me to be the enemy as well.

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“It is lucky for rulers that men do not think.” — Adolf Hitler

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**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/535 "1999-12-17T19:08:00Z")

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Very odd. The index of topics says there was a message posted at 1:06. But the last one I see is Gaudere’s from 12:36. I’m hoping that my posting of this message will clear things up…

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**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/536 "1999-12-17T19:11:00Z")

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Ok, that fixed it. Apparently, Lib was hiding. 🙂

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**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/537 "1999-12-17T19:21:00Z")

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David:

I was behind number 4.

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**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/538 "1999-12-17T19:40:00Z")

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Now, here’s one I can’t really complain about, and it would be a good topic Over Here in Great Debates: “Racism in the Church.”  
[www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum8/HTML/001510.html](http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum8/HTML/001510.html)

They’re admitting it’s a problem and something should be done, but I sure wish they’d do more than pray. I know that the saying “God helps those who help themselves” doesn’t actually appear in the Bible, but isn’t supposed to be true nonetheless?

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\>\< DARWIN \>  
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**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\
**Post date:** [December 17, 1999, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/539 "1999-12-17T19:53:00Z")

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Try this one, too: “There’s nothing wrong with the handicapped.”  
[www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum8/HTML/001407.html](http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum8/HTML/001407.html)

Yes, the story I told on that thread is true.

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\>\< DARWIN \>  
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**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\
**Post date:** [December 18, 1999, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/540 "1999-12-18T00:54:00Z")

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Lib…the _swine and dogs_ thing was quoted by one of _them_, Thomas, already–that’s the one I blew a fuse over.

DavidB…I DON’T BELIEVE YOU DID THAT!!! But I’m glad you did.

What do you get? Oh, I dunno…did I mention that we’re running a special on pants-down spankings this week?

-David

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