# For David B, the good Doctor and others who are knowledgable about Creation debate **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 12, 1999, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218 "1999-11-12T22:37:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 1999, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/561 "1999-12-19T22:55:00Z")
And what about the “Heaven’s Gate” people? * * * \>\< DARWIN \> \_\_ **L\_\_\_L** ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 1999, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/562 "1999-12-20T00:56:00Z")
Only the SOULS of “zHeaven’s Gate” rode that UFO. See ya next year!!! * * * \>\< DARWIN \> \_\_ **L\_\_\_L** ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 1999, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/563 "1999-12-20T02:16:00Z")
Anyone see the _Atlantic Monthly_ (Jan. 00) story on the “Left Behind” series? Too bad it doesn’t mention the Web site. The Atlantic’s reviewer mentions something I’ve noticed about conservative Christianity in general: “‘Left Behind’ offers no strong alternative to the world’s definition of what matters; it merely appropriates and baptizes worldly standards.” According to the reviewer, the Trib Force people are all brainy, attractive, well-educated, and apparently well-off; they drive a $100K Range Rover with all the latest gizmos. Worldly fame is pretty cool, too. Stephen Stills obviously wasn’t speaking on behalf of born-again Christians when he says, somewhere on the _Four-Way Street_ album, that “we’re supposed to be some kinda different,” but I was a new Christian when I first heard that album, and I must admit that, across the decades, I still think that if that isn’t true of Christians, then we’re doing something wrong. On one of the Left Behind threads a few weeks ago, I quite seriously raised the question of how Christians are supposed to respond to the materialism and commercialism of today’s America; I don’t think I got any responses. Maybe I might have better luck here. (Not on this thread, though.) ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 1999, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/564 "1999-12-20T16:48:00Z")
You know, I feel like they’re following me around. Two weeks after Satan’s OP in this thread, the “Left Behind” books get a big story in my paper (link, p.6, if it’s still any good), and now the only magazine I subscribe to does a story on them. It’s enough to make a guy paranoid. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 1999, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/565 "1999-12-20T16:53:00Z")
Well, RTF, I have a confession. Actually, this board is a way to lure people into the Left Behind series. In fact, we _were_ watching you. Satan did a good job of starting this thread to lure you over there, and we all played along. Actually, I’m Ghoti and Monk and a few other minor players, Gaudere is Thomas and Pariah, Slythe is MikeM. Now that our little game has been exposed, you can either **Join Us Or Burn For Eternity In The Lake Of FIRE!!!** ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 1999, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/566 "1999-12-20T17:29:00Z")
Too late - I’m both Nav and Saved in '73. Couldn’t you tell? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 1999, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/567 "1999-12-20T20:13:00Z")
Dangit! So all this time, we were all trying to convert each other to positions we already hold! How confusing! ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 1999, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/568 "1999-12-20T20:43:00Z")
Well, I just went a bit ballistic in the newest “evolution” thread there: [http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum8/HTML/001551.html](http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum8/HTML/001551.html) It’s fighting a losing war. No matter how many times we bail out the boat, more keeps rushing in. Ignorance is going to sink that ship no matter what we do. Just look at how many times people keep referring back to the Hovind site. Doesn’t matter that I’ve posted debunking info and info showing him to be a liar numerous times… \< sigh \> ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 1999, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/569 "1999-12-20T20:45:00Z")
Hey, Satan, I just noticed that you promised us a dollar in your first message here. Where is it?! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 1999, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/570 "1999-12-20T21:13:00Z")
Good catch, David. C’mon, Satan, pay up! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 1999, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/571 "1999-12-20T23:38:00Z")
Yeah, I want mine, too! Hell, I didn’t even _pretend_ to be a Christian when I went Over There! _You_ guys went undercover! I want TWO dollars. * * * \>\< DARWIN \> \_\_ **L\_\_\_L** ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 1999, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/572 "1999-12-21T00:51:00Z")
You will not believe your eyes: [www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum8/HTML/001554.html](http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum8/HTML/001554.html) They think Pokemon is a tool of the Devil. Why? Someone got an e-mail that said so!! _gasp_ I’m glad I’m going to see Mom tonight. I need a break from all this. As I’ve said on other threads, my family is Christian, but they’re REASONABLE Christians. * * * \>\< DARWIN \> \_\_ **L\_\_\_L** ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 1999, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/573 "1999-12-21T01:25:00Z")
jab - “Trouble, with a capital T, that rhymes with P, that stands for Pool!” - _The Music Man_ ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 1999, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/574 "1999-12-21T02:36:00Z")
If you haven’t left already, JAB, be careful–in this part of Texas, they just said that the roads will be freezing. Has anyone else noticed how Nav and MikeM have been teaming up to make off-topic slams against Daniel? -David ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 1999, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/575 "1999-12-21T03:04:00Z")
Oh, looky! Contestant #3 meets the Left Behind Message Board! ## [http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum3/HTML/002639.html](http://www.leftbehind.com/cgi-bbs/Forum3/HTML/002639.html) The truth, as always, is more complicated than that. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 1999, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/576 "1999-12-21T03:09:00Z")
jab1 wrote: > [@](#): > > They think Pokemon is a tool of the Devil. Why? Someone got an e-mail that said so!! _gasp_ Heh. I’m surprised the LBMB Pokemon thread has lasted as long as it has. The very first person to post a follow-up in that thread wrote: > [@](#): > > Pokemon and Digimon are not evil, they are just the most monumentally stupid fads that have ever been created. … which, you have to admit, shows a lot more insight than most of the posts on that message board. 😉 * * * The truth, as always, is more complicated than that. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 1999, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/577 "1999-12-21T03:16:00Z")
Jab said: > [@](#): > > Hell, I didn’t even pretend to be a Christian when I went Over There! You guys went undercover! Now, now – I never pretended to be Christian. I just didn’t advertise anything else with a Darwin fish bumper sticker. 🙂 Soulfrost – I must have signed off before the slams started. I probably won’t check tonight, though. I know Mike is getting pissy, but tough for him. He stares a fact in the face and says he doesn’t see anything. Amazing… ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 1999, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/578 "1999-12-21T03:40:00Z")
Thanks for the warning, **SoulFrost** , but I’m leaving the driving to Greyhound. * * * \>\< DARWIN \> \_\_ **L\_\_\_L** ---
**Author:** ![SoulFrost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f07891/32.png) [@SoulFrost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoulFrost)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 1999, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/579 "1999-12-21T04:27:00Z")
David…not direct slams. Oh no–they’re MUCH too sophisticated for that. Nav and Mikey talk to each other, and insert little jabs at you into their conversation. I think I ran across that a couple of times in the Third Grade… JAB–good deal! Have a safe trip! -David ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 1999, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/580 "1999-12-21T04:38:00Z")
On that Alien thread, there’s a new poster named JohnJohn. Reckon that’s Cyberian? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218.md?page=30)