# For David B, the good Doctor and others who are knowledgable about Creation debate

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**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [November 12, 1999, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218 "1999-11-12T22:37:00Z")\
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**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/61 "1999-11-18T21:08:00Z")

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David, re the IP Logged thing, I clicked on it and got an Administrator’s function screen. I’m attaching the HTML below but if it causes any problems, delete it.  
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**Author:** ![Falcon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/49beb7/32.png) [@Falcon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falcon)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/62 "1999-11-18T21:12:00Z")

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David -

Right now I’m fuming over the people who have no problems with the Taliban…good lord, do they not CARE about women being mistreated??? ARGH!

But yes, I registered. And will probably have a bit of fun over there…I’m Christian, but not like them. Not by a LONG shot. That ought to fry their little brains.

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“Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it.” - George Carlin

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**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/63 "1999-11-18T21:17:00Z")

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What the hell was all that? The graphic didn’t show up. (Maybe it’s because the LAPL is still using Netscape 3.0 and Windows '95?)

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**Author:** ![Falcon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/49beb7/32.png) [@Falcon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falcon)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/64 "1999-11-18T21:20:00Z")

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Oh lord…RT, you just made my day with this quote:

> [@](#):
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> 1. None of the accounts say no one else was there, but to put them all there as described makes Easter morning look like the Keystone Cops.

Damn, I love that comment.

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“Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it.” - George Carlin

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**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/65 "1999-11-18T21:24:00Z")

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The graphic won’t show up becuase it is going to a relative path. Let me try.

\<img src=“[http://www.leftbehind.com/graphics/lb.com.gif](http://www.leftbehind.com/graphics/lb.com.gif)” width=108 height=17 alt=“[leftbehind.com](http://leftbehind.com)”\>

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**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/66 "1999-11-18T21:28:00Z")

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Now I’m just showing off.

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**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/67 "1999-11-18T21:30:00Z")

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…which would work better if I did it right.

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**Author:** ![Strainger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/strainger/32/244_2.png) [@Strainger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strainger)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/68 "1999-11-18T21:39:00Z")

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So, RTFirefly, do you believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God? Do you believe that man sinned and needs a savior to gain salvation by faith? Do you believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (three in one)? Do you? Do you? SAY IT!! SAY IT!!

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**Author:** ![Strainger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/strainger/32/244_2.png) [@Strainger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strainger)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/69 "1999-11-18T21:44:00Z")

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Sorry, I couldn’t help but be amused by the exchange between RT (nightmare) and Thomas in that thread.

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**Author:** ![Falcon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/49beb7/32.png) [@Falcon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falcon)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/70 "1999-11-18T21:49:00Z")

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Me too, Strainger! I’m sitting here laughing at Thomas. Hmm…wonder what he’d do if I answered that I did, and I was _still_ behind Nightmare. \< evil grin \>

BTW, I think the funniest thing ever would be for Satan to register under his screenname here and post. DAMN, that would shake things up a bit.

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“Men are from Earth, women are from Earth. Deal with it.” - George Carlin

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**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/71 "1999-11-18T21:50:00Z")

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**David** , I’m not surprised they blew it. But maybe it’s because even in schools that _do_ still teach evolution, they teach it incorrectly?

For example, there’s nothing in evolutionary theory that says _all_ the decendents of _Archaeopteryx_ had to have the power of flight. It’s perfectly reasonable for some descendents to have flight and not others. So it doesn’t matter if those new finds are younger than _Archaeopteryx_ and couldn’t fly. Ostriches and emus can’t fly, either, but only a fool would say that they aren’t birds.

It also clearly states in the magazine article and on-line that feathers first served as insulation and that flight came later. It also states that _T. rex_ would’ve had down only and only as a hatchling. If we could just find a fossilized _T. rex_ egg…

I know you already know this. Consider it a test message intended for our creationist neighbors. 🙂

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**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/72 "1999-11-18T21:53:00Z")

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Poly, as you see, I’ve edited it (it was causing problems). But what I really wanted to know was if they really are logging the IP addresses. In other words, if Polycarp, for example, posted from work a message that they didn’t like, could they figure out where he worked (presuming it wasn’t just linked to an internet provider, but did it on their own)?

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**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/73 "1999-11-18T21:59:00Z")

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Hmmmm. Ok, as you can see I did _not_ edit it to fix it. I posted that before I actually went to do it, and when I went to do it, I couldn’t. Whatever you did, Poly, you screwed up even the fixing part! 🙂

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**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/74 "1999-11-18T22:09:00Z")

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When I go to this page, I get a **Javascript error** notice. I guess that’s what y’all are talking about.

I guess the only thing to do is try to stretch this thread out to three pages. Anybody wanna help?

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**Author:** ![Mojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Mojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mojo)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/75 "1999-11-18T22:10:00Z")

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David, all this time I thought you were inerrant. If that statement about fixing the post is untrue, then everything you say is false.

At least according some logic I’ve seen recently…

Reading through the posts on that board made my head hurt. The OP will start out pretty good but the thread quickly degenerates (see “Wholy Bible or Holey Bible” as an example) into testifying how much faith you have usually phrased in the most mind-numbing platitude- Example: “It Is As Complete As God Intended”- then why even mention these other books?

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**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/76 "1999-11-18T22:12:00Z")

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Post to help knock us over to page 3. I was getting the Jscript error, too, but I have a beta IE and it whines about everything. Are you sure you can’t yank out the Jscript, David? How about the whole post?

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/77 "1999-11-18T22:31:00Z")

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Thanks, Falcon, I was pretty proud of that one. And yes, Strainger, I’m surprised that Thomas’ parents didn’t drown him in the tub long ago.

Damn, some of them are just dumb as posts. Oh hell, that’s an insult to posts! 😉

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**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 1999, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/78 "1999-11-18T22:32:00Z")

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Firefly, tell me you didn’t really say this:

> [@](#):
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> ALL - this is a lively discussion, and while there’s some discussion between others here, mostly it’s been back and forth between me and the lot of you. Please pardon me if I can’t keep up.

Damn. You been taking lessons from Phaedrus?

(ducking flatter than the Serpent’s ass)

-andros-

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**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 1999, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/79 "1999-11-19T00:44:00Z")

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Still can’t do it (trying from a different computer with a different version of the browser). It looks like whatever he posted is screwing with the editorial features of the page. I’m kicking this up to the admins, but we’ll probably go to the next page before that message gets deleted.

So, as a lesson to everybody: **Don’t do that again!** 🙂

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**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 1999, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-david-b-the-good-doctor-and-others-who-are-knowledgable-about-creation-debate/17218/80 "1999-11-19T01:16:00Z")

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Don’t do _what_ again? 🙂

Actually, I’m serious. I have no idea how to attempt whatever it was he or she did.

I posted a long reply over at LeftBehind to about _Archaeopteryx_ and the (possibly) feathered _Tyrannosaurus_. Interesting to see what response I get.

Oh, and someone (Mat’bu Sanju) wrote “bloody 'ell” over there and someone else (Saved in ‘73) actually complained about his language! Said there’re wimmen an’ chillun a’ readin’ this hyar thread, so watch it, Bud! 😃 😃

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