# For non-gun owners: What would you fight to keep as much as guns are fought for in America? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 21, 2019, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606 "2019-09-21T11:40:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606/61 "2019-09-24T12:13:36Z")
> [@](#): > > Why are there uber and Lyft cars? Those folks have a CDL with a passenger endorsement and are very closely monitored by the government so that they don’t drive for personal reasons. So that means they have way more extensive training and testing to get that driver’s license. Lol, wut? Is this true in your country? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606/62 "2019-09-24T17:45:53Z")
> [@DorkVader](#): > > **Begbert** , can you please explain to me why you need a car to get to work/paid/food? Assume for the sake of argument that I’m that snooty upper class white society type (not a politico though, ugh, oh dear, I’m feeling faint, someone bring me my attorney to catch me and help me sue someone for bringing up such a distasteful topic as politicians) what in hell makes a car so vital that can’t be worked around? You can walk, ride a bus or bicycle, take a cab or lift or uber, carpool, ride the train, or do like the “normals” do and hire a limo and driver(remember, I’m Lumpy’s rich person). Live too far from your job? Telecommute or move, … Well, I live in the suburbs, at the top of a hill. I cant walk to stores, and there are no busses, and with my old knees, going up the hill on a bike is impossible. My job involves driving, so “Telecommute or move” doesnt work. Uber is just someone else doing the driving with a car. ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606/63 "2019-09-24T19:14:23Z")
Taking this in a different direction - how about electricity? An argument can be made that the creation of electricity contributes to climate change in negative ways that potentially leads to the loss of life. (Don’t ask me to make the argument, we’re writing science fiction here, yah?) I started thinking about specific consumer products, because it always strikes me that guns occupy a unique position in our constitution and laws, but are at the basics a consumer product. What other consumer product would elicit such strong attachment if taken away? Perhaps refrigerators? TVs? Computers for sure. But then I considered that they all rely on electricity. What if we were told that “they” were coming for our electricity? That would get me up out of my chair. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606/64 "2019-09-24T19:19:06Z")
You will wrest my air conditioning unit out of my comfortably cold, dead hands. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606/65 "2019-09-24T21:30:12Z")
> [@DorkVader](#): > > **Begbert** , can you please explain to me why you need a car to get to work/paid/food? Assume for the sake of argument that I’m that snooty upper class white society type (not a politico though, ugh, oh dear, I’m feeling faint, someone bring me my attorney to catch me and help me sue someone for bringing up such a distasteful topic as politicians) what in hell makes a car so vital that can’t be worked around? You can walk, ride a bus or bicycle, take a cab or lift or uber, carpool, ride the train, or do like the “normals” do and hire a limo and driver(remember, I’m Lumpy’s rich person). My workplace is two miles away, so walking is out. We get bad weather at least three months a year, so relying on a bike is out. Bus service is spotty and inconvenient, so that’s out. We don’t have trains here, so that’s out. And if there are ubers or hirable limos, there isn’t a car ban. > [@DorkVader](#): > > Live too far from your job? Telecommute or move Ha ha ha no. > [@DorkVader](#): > > , but in no way can you show me in the constitution of the US, no matter how much you torture and twist it, that you have any right whatever to own or drive an automobile of any sort. “Gungrippers” can make the claim even if you don’t like it and disagree, that there is a right to own firearms privately. So you’re saying you would be the criminal car guy hoarding something he never even had a right to, to begin with? Keep in mind, it’s never driving rights that get suspended or revoked, it’s driving priviliges that get taken away. Good god man, get a grip. In this thread constitutionality is off the table. Remember the OP? Yeah. So don’t bother rambling about rights - this thread isn’t about things we have “rights” to. And I **EXPLICITLY SAID** I wouldn’t become a lawbreaker. So yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606/66 "2019-09-25T06:46:07Z")
**Red Barchetta** If you outlaw any of my ‘Sacred Cows’, I just become an outlaw. Fuck The Man! I do what I want. I got 4 dogs in a county that has a limit of 3. You can’t stop me. I’m out of control! I water on Mother-Fucking Monday! I don’t rewind DVDs I get from the library. I open the lid on my water meter access to get a reading, several times a month! I drive right past the “Parking Lot Full” sign every time I go skiing. You can’t stop me. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606/67 "2019-09-25T08:38:52Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Lol, wut? Is this true in your country? > [@DrDeth](#): > > Well, I live in the suburbs, at the top of a hill. I cant walk to stores, and there are no busses, and with my old knees, going up the hill on a bike is impossible. My job involves driving, so “Telecommute or move” doesnt work. Uber is just someone else doing the driving with a car. Yep, and in my answer to the OP that would be Just To Damn Bad, you still don’t get to drive a car unless you go get the license for work driving only, uber, Lyft, company business in a company owned vehicle. All closely tracked to ensure no personal driving is done. > [@begbert2](#): > > My workplace is two miles away, so walking is out. We get bad weather at least three months a year, so relying on a bike is out. Bus service is spotty and inconvenient, so that’s out. We don’t have trains here, so that’s out. > > And if there are ubers or hirable limos, there isn’t a car ban. > > Ha ha ha no. > > Good god man, get a grip. > > In this thread constitutionality is off the table. Remember the OP? Yeah. So don’t bother rambling about rights - this thread isn’t about things we have “rights” to. > > And I **EXPLICITLY SAID** I wouldn’t become a lawbreaker. So yeah. Two miles? Thats all? Limos and uber and Lyft are strictly regulated commercial ventures in my answer to the op, even if it’s a one owner proprietorship, those folks aren’t going to be using those cars to get groceries for themselves or run other personal errands. Comstitutionality, yes it is part of the discussion. The OP was asking for a comparison to the fight over gun ownership in the US, constiturional rights are the very core of that fight. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606/68 "2019-09-25T12:12:38Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > That makes no sense, most of the government officials who’d like to restrict guns don’t have or want to have one. They sure as heck want their bodyguards to have them. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606/69 "2019-09-25T12:44:23Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > This condition seems to concede that for gun owners, it’s not just a hobby, but something they view as a “right”. You’re asking what else would people fight as hard to keep as a right, but you don’t want “other rights” to be among the answers. That seems … bizarre. > [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > There isn’t anything not removed from consideration by the OP I’m willing to commit nationwide mass killing over, so nothing. What they said – ain’t THAT a combination that you never expected 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606/70 "2019-09-25T16:35:47Z")
@ the OP: Maybe just Internet. I sure would fight tooth and nail against someone trying to take my Internet away. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606/71 "2019-09-25T16:41:25Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > medicare > > universal K-12 education that is free to the end user Winner winner chicken dinner. I’ve seen some radical types who opine, quite seriously, that kids who aren’t academic achievers in elementary school should be cut loose and that further education is a waste of time, especially if the kids don’t want to be there anyway. If my district tried to cut loose 11-year-olds who were below grade level, I’d be on that harder than any gun nut you’ve ever seen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-non-gun-owners-what-would-you-fight-to-keep-as-much-as-guns-are-fought-for-in-america/840606.md?page=3)