Guys, this isn’t that difficult:
- Answer the question
- Don’t worry about the pets or the contradiction or whatever
- IF you can’t do #2, then assume that I meant your current pet won’t be taken away, but there won’t be any new ones.
Ah, the noble grandfather clause.
With a grandfather clause, I would be totally okay with the banning of most forms of entertainment - I have my books, dvds, and toys, so screw everybody else.
I’d been a bit nervous relying on the clause to keep me in possession of my computer and car indefinitely - they break down.
Grandfathering toilet paper would be a cruel joke.
Let’s not turn this into yet another gun control debate, OK?
The OP is specifically about “What would you fight to keep as much as guns are fought for in America?”
Which means that to answer the question, we have to think about exactly how hard do gun-grippers fight for guns. It’s not exactly off-topic.
And they fight pretty hard, all things considered. Harder than I would for any of my hobbies - if I heard that the government wanted to ban legos (presumably due to a massive political conflict with Denmark, or maybe outcry over stepping on them got too bad), I wouldn’t be happy, and I’d want to hear that they were going to compensate me if they confiscated what I had. But I wouldn’t proudly announce that I’d break the law if such a ban ever came to pass - nor would I actually break the law when the time came.
This condition seems to concede that for gun owners, it’s not just a hobby, but something they view as a “right”. You’re asking what else would people fight as hard to keep as a right, but you don’t want “other rights” to be among the answers. That seems … bizarre.
OK.
Not if you want people to keep on this particular topic.
I’m thinking it would finally vindicate those extreme couponers who have an entire room full of toilet paper stashed away.
Might lead to a run on geese.
My Country.
“You can have my health card when you can pry it out of my cold, dead hands!”
You cant get new ones.
+1 and add universal schooling for Spain. Get those and food covered and other stuff just follows; remove those, and things such as the right to vote or worker rights just fall off people’s radar.
To truly get the sense of umbrage gun owners feel, you’d have to postulate banning something to all you mere peasants who don’t “need” them, but people like government officials and the rich & well connected could get them. So for example, you’re standing there at the bus stop in the rain/ snow/ heat/ cold/ whatever, and there goes Chairman of the House Subcommittee in their chauffeured stretch limo. Because, you know, he needs it to get to government business on time- he’s important.
Begbert, can you please explain to me why you need a car to get to work/paid/food? Assume for the sake of argument that I’m that snooty upper class white society type (not a politico though, ugh, oh dear, I’m feeling faint, someone bring me my attorney to catch me and help me sue someone for bringing up such a distasteful topic as politicians) what in hell makes a car so vital that can’t be worked around? You can walk, ride a bus or bicycle, take a cab or lift or uber, carpool, ride the train, or do like the “normals” do and hire a limo and driver(remember, I’m Lumpy’s rich person). Live too far from your job? Telecommute or move, but in no way can you show me in the constitution of the US, no matter how much you torture and twist it, that you have any right whatever to own or drive an automobile of any sort. “Gungrippers” can make the claim even if you don’t like it and disagree, that there is a right to own firearms privately. So you’re saying you would be the criminal car guy hoarding something he never even had a right to, to begin with? Keep in mind, it’s never driving rights that get suspended or revoked, it’s driving priviliges that get taken away.
That makes no sense, most of the government officials who’d like to restrict guns don’t have or want to have one. If you’re referring to the situation the 2nd amendment was a response to, and as has been explained before, that was a very specific situation which only took place in certain places and times.
There isn’t anything not removed from consideration by the OP I’m willing to commit nationwide mass killing over, so nothing.
British and concur with these.
Also, same sex marriage. I would be bloody furious if some right wing government saw fit to reverse the current law.
There are vast and well-populated swaths of the DFW metroplex where none of the above are possible or even exist. I presume we are not so fucking unique here & that other places may be similarly unendowed.
thinks a minute
Hey, wait, if cars have been outlawed, how in hell are we supposed to carpool?
How come Uber and Lyft drivers still have cars?
I think $500.00 a month (which doesn’t effect food-stamps) should be available to anyone in dire straits. Some people, no matter how hard they try, just can’t make it. I never believed in ‘work-righteousness’ as a religious idea. I certainly don’t believe in ‘work-righteousness’ as a political idea. Every President, from Trump to Washington, grew up with a legitimate access to wealth. Some people don’t, and no matter how hard they try - in the end - need a bit of help. No matter what politics they espouse.
I’ve been to a lot of larger cities in the US. Chicago, St. Louis, OKC, Kansas City to name a few. DFW is the only one that I’ve ever been that sprawled as much as that area does (note, I consider the DFW to be one functional city even though administratively its several grown together), with the exception perhaps of the Salt Lake City metro area. What do I care if you foolishly took a job too far from your home to reach easily without a car? Why are there uber and Lyft cars? Those folks have a CDL with a passenger endorsement and are very closely monitored by the government so that they don’t drive for personal reasons. So that means they have way more extensive training and testing to get that driver’s license. That testing includes a physical every few years.
That CDL is very easily lost. Physical turns up heart disease? Suspended until the severity is determined and controlled with meds. Do you snore? Don’t tell the doc that, or it’s off to a sleep study showing that you don’t have sleep apnea. You have sleep apnea? Sorry, no CDL for you. Now that you have your physical you can get your learner’s permit. If you want a class a license, are you going to drive a truck or passengers.
If a truck you also have to get an air brake endorsement, trailer endorsement, multiple trailer endorsement (if you want) hazardous materials and communications endorsement(if you want to) each of those is another written test. When you take the written tests, your allowed to miss 1 question out of every 10 per test. When you go do your skills test, you are allowed to miss 3 items on your pretrip inspection (out of some 30 or so multistep items of inspection) and you haven’t even begun driving. Before you go out into traffic with your tester, you drive a skills course proving you can back straight, around a corner, offset or parallel park, etc, without running over little Jimmy and his Dear Old Granny. After that, you finally get to go out in traffic and prove you can drive.
And your license is only good for a few years, no 7 or 8 year licenses. If you want a class b cdl, do all of the above except the trailer parts. Your vehicle is a manual transmission? Better do your skills test with that type of transmission, otherwise your license will be restricted to automatic only.
That’s also how I, as a member of the elite upper class, am able to hire a limo and driver. It’s how buses run and couriers deliver stuff and freight is shipped. There is a shelf life to driving jobs though, irl, with the way driverless auto technology is progressing. I’m not sure how long that is but it’s there all the same.
In reality, if the government came and took away my car tomorrow, I’d be hosed, i live 12 miles of highway from my job. Right now, on a good day, it takes me half an hour to get to work. I’d have to sell my house and move and go to court and get permission to move my son to a different school district and possibly lose the 50/50 custody I currently have with his mom. I’d still support it though. 90% percent of you people shouldn’t be driving.