# For Obama Supporters: Should Florida... **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 6, 2008, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261 "2008-03-06T00:29:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/1 "2008-03-06T00:29:01Z")
There’s talk about having another democratic primary in Florida. The governor supports it. If Florida and Michigan democrats run another primary, should it count ? I want your answers before Obama has anything to say about it. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/2 "2008-03-06T00:30:29Z")
As an Obama supporter and a Michigander, I would welcome it, whether a primary or a caucus. If done, of course they should count. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/3 "2008-03-06T00:34:42Z")
Seems fair to me, and it would put a stake in the Clinton camp’s demands for the one-sided delegate slates to be seated. Assuming Obama does reasonably well in both states, his pledged delegates lead shouldn’t be harmed much, either. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/4 "2008-03-06T00:41:02Z")
Absolutely. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/5 "2008-03-06T00:49:00Z")
As an Obama suporter from FL i would certainly welcome a chance to have my voice heard. ---
**Author:** ![Airblairxxx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Airblairxxx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airblairxxx)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/6 "2008-03-06T00:52:15Z")
Yes, of course. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/7 "2008-03-06T00:56:57Z")
Its rather simple, really: the more people involved, the higher the ratio of democracy. And I have long rooted for the grass roots dominance over the corporatist centrism of the Democratic leadership. “Feh!”, as they say in Lubbock. Accomodations should be made to ensure the maximum possible participation while still preserving some scrap of dignity for the leadership. But they are politicians, and it doesn’t take much to supply an acceptable sop. Agreed upon authority has its place, and hierarchy as well. But those particular shoes fit our rightarded brethren rather better than they fit us. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/8 "2008-03-06T00:59:17Z")
And I demand special legislation to track down the parties responsible for that ghastly ad on the thread, the one than wiggles and shakes like a spastic meth addict with malaria… ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/9 "2008-03-06T01:01:05Z")
Definitely. In fact, I think it would be a big mistake for the Dem’s to not allow this, especially in Florida as it may piss off enough Florida Democrats to tip the scales in favor of McCain. -XT ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/10 "2008-03-06T01:02:08Z")
Speaking as an Obama supporter, I’d go for it. Now, I think Hillary will _win_ in those states: Michigan is similar to Ohio, isn’t it\*? Both rust belt? And Florida strikes me as similar to New York or California, at least when considering what the people are interested in\*. But it’s the most democratic way to solve this problem. \*Denotes WAGs based on gut reaction. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/11 "2008-03-06T01:07:22Z")
Hell yes they should, even if it turns out to be a win for Clinton. As long as the voting is conducted fairly and honorably, I’m satisfied. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/12 "2008-03-06T01:26:46Z")
If that’s what it takes to settle the nomination, then hell yes. Our democracy (little d there) is not a ballot game to be won, it’s a core principle. Just as long as they count \*all \* the votes in Florida this time. It’s been a few cycles since that happened. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/13 "2008-03-06T01:31:38Z")
Methinks you and **Phlosphr** need to sit down and have a chat. ETA: Yes, I strongly support the idea presented in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/14 "2008-03-06T01:32:59Z")
> [@](#): > > …Just as long as they count all the votes in Florida this time… Lord yes! If it goes to the Supreme Court, George Bush will be the Democratic nominee! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/15 "2008-03-06T01:34:37Z")
[QUOTE=Santo Rugger] Methinks you and **Phlosphr** need to sit down and have a chat. [/QUOTE] Oh, we have, we have. I do find it refreshing to talk with an Obama supporter who is not also a Clinton hater. ---
**Author:** ![Desert\_Nomad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desert_nomad/32/177_2.png) [@Desert\_Nomad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desert_Nomad)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/16 "2008-03-06T01:49:32Z")
I would vote for Fidel Castro over Clinton (come to think of it, I’d vote for Kermit the Frog over her too), but of course I would support a re-run in FL and MI as long as ample time is given so both candidates can campaign effectively. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/17 "2008-03-06T02:46:21Z")
As a man who has relatives who share my view of the democratic system living in FL and MI - a redo would be fine. That being said, this is as much about the DNC sticking to it’s guns as it is the DNC letting this happen. Rules and Fair Play should go hand in hand. The rules were set up as such that if FL and MI had primaries before Feb 5th, they wouldn’t count. Both states knew it but tried it anyway. The black and white rules would say, “_sorry no dice - the decision stands_”. A fair game would say, do overs for both states…no problem, people votes from all 50 states should be heard. Solution (C) States, sit the states as they are now - that would be bad. > [@](#): > > ElvisL1ves Quote: > > > [@Santo Rugger](#): > > > > Methinks you and Phlosphr need to sit down and have a chat. > > Oh, we have, we have. I do find it refreshing to talk with an Obama supporter who is not also a Clinton hater. And I’d agree - civil discourses are the best way to converse, and **Elvis** and I can disagree without whipping fire at one another. It’ a good trait. That and he knows his Celtics. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/18 "2008-03-06T02:55:23Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] As a man who has relatives who share my view of the democratic system living in FL and MI - a redo would be fine. That being said, this is as much about the DNC sticking to it’s guns as it is the DNC letting this happen. Rules and Fair Play should go hand in hand. The rules were set up as such that if FL and MI had primaries before Feb 5th, they wouldn’t count. Both states knew it but tried it anyway. [/QUOTE] Yes, Fla knew it. \*Fla did it on purpose as the GOP runs the Fla legislature. \* :eek: They _wanted_ the Dems to have to snub the Fla voters, as Fla has a very slight edge in Dem votes, but often votes GOP in the Presidential election. It’s also a critical state, 4th most electors. It’s a brilliant plan that seems to be working. The Obama-ites seem to be more concerned with winning the Nomination than the Election. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/19 "2008-03-06T03:03:33Z")
Yes. They should be allowed a redo allowing the delegates to count. I’m wondering why someone wouldn’t want the redone votes to count. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261/20 "2008-03-06T03:06:29Z")
No. No. And Hell No. Florida and Michigan already voted. I know, we voted too early, which I could understand if this was a hard and fast rule, but it isn’t. New Hampshire and Iowa can vote early, but nobody else can. Two all-white, small, non-representative states should have no business being given special exemptions. It’s time to bust up that monopoly now and seat the FL and MI delegates. Why waste taxpayers money for a do-over? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-obama-supporters-should-florida/440261.md?page=2)