# For our new friend Timo **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 21, 2013, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775 "2013-08-21T03:34:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/81 "2013-08-22T14:05:50Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I’ve been an atheist for 50 years. It’s my intolerance for ignorance that’s new. Rigidity in your own views does not preclude flexibility in the views of others. You’ve got a serious case of “Crotchety-Old-Man” syndrome. I’ll now step off your lawn. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/82 "2013-08-22T14:07:50Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > Rigidity in your own views does not preclude flexibility in the views of others. > > You’ve got a serious case of “Crotchety-Old-Man” syndrome. I’ll now step off your lawn. 😛 I know. You’re right. I keep intending to stop. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/83 "2013-08-22T14:10:23Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > **Oligocarp**? Monocarp? ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/84 "2013-08-22T14:13:31Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > **Oligocarp**? :dubious: 😃 If I wasn’t time tripping, I’d prolly be able to go right to it. Agamemnon says hi ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/85 "2013-08-22T14:14:34Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Monocarp? And before you ask, yes, you are chopped liver. ---
**Author:** ![Uber\_the\_Goober](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/58956e/32.png) [@Uber\_the\_Goober](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uber_the_Goober)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/86 "2013-08-22T15:30:36Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > I know. You’re right. I keep intending to stop. And a healthy dollup of respect to you, along with a tip of the hat, for that acknowledgment of a personal shortcoming. 😃 I’m a religiously minded person, and I can’t stand most of the people who choose to title themselves similarly…narrow-mindedness is a disease of the fool. Fools come in all colors, shapes, sizes, etc. The worst fools are the closed-minded theists, 6000 year old earth creationists, “God has a plan just for ME!”-tards, etc. I’m convinced that there’s a God, and it’s mostly because I choose to believe in a world where there is one (as defined by my beliefs). If you don’t believe in a God, that’s totally up to you, and it’s not my right to stop you from thinking that way. It is my obligation however to ask someone if they’re interested in learning about my faith, since I firmly believe that it’s a “better” way of living than what the majority of the world lives. What a dick I’d be if I kept what I believe to be better all to myself? Pissed off proselytizing atheists can be just as bad, sometimes worse for their vulgarity and anger, than theists. ---
**Author:** ![Reverend\_Meade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Reverend\_Meade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reverend_Meade)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/87 "2013-08-22T16:15:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Parthenogenesis. I can’t decide whether or not that’s a pun. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/88 "2013-08-22T16:40:14Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Meh. > He’s a run of the mill proselytizer. Harmless and easy to ignore if you’re not interested. He’s not debating, he’s witnessing so accept that you can’t convince him and let it go. He’s not witnessing. He’s asking why other people don’t believe in his specific god, despite inconcontestible evidence like the cuttlefish. Hardly warrants a Pitting though. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/89 "2013-08-22T16:43:33Z")
He is debating. Or at least he thinks he’s debating. He combines a lot of the worst things in the world: what passes for cocksure teenage intellectualism, deeply held (and never questioned) religious beliefs, and shitty homeschooling that had little and/or poor logical reasoning or science training. Doesn’t warrant a Pitting but does warrant Pity for certain. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/90 "2013-08-22T17:00:26Z")
> [@Reverend\_Meade](#): > > I can’t decide whether or not that’s a pun. I took it as one. Very funny. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/91 "2013-08-22T17:18:38Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > It’s like this, friends. God is dead. Here’s the proof… > > God is love. > Love is blind. > Ray Charles is blind. > Therefore, Brother Ray is God > But Brother Ray died, > So God is dead. Hum…If love was blind then blondes wouldn’t have more fun, boob implant doctors would have no income, and bikinis would come in size XXXXXL. Therefore: Love must not be blind. Ray can not possibly be God. God says knock this shit off right now. ---
**Author:** ![sylmar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@sylmar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sylmar)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/92 "2013-08-22T17:50:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Fallacy of the converse between steps one, two, three, and four. Wouldn’t fallacy of the converse be assuming the converse of a statement has to be true ? Not that if the converse doesn’t hold up, the original statement isn’t true? I’m more inclined to agree with Morgenstern that the original stated premise is flawed. (Amusing nonetheless) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/93 "2013-08-22T18:10:39Z")
> [@sylmar](#): > > Wouldn’t fallacy of the converse be assuming the converse of a statement has to be true ? Not that if the converse doesn’t hold up, the original statement isn’t true? God is love Love is blind Ray Charles is blind Therefore Ray Charles is God It’s the fallacy of the converse. We accept the truth of each proposition 1-3. But the QED part is a problem, and the problem is the assumption that because the statement is true, its converse is also true. That, you can’t do. But that’s what’s done: God is love, love is blind. Therefore God is blind (ignoring the fallacy of equivocation). So, now we have: Ray Charles is blind God is blind Therefore Ray Charles is God. See the converse in play now? Many people could ALSO be blind, and not be God – the mere fact that God is blind and Ray Charles is blind doesn’t allow us to conclude that God is Ray Charles. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/94 "2013-08-22T18:21:00Z")
How about [this](http://img4-2.realsimple.timeinc.net/images/work-life/money/toys-r-us-and-babies-r-us-logo_300.jpg) to prove that babies are toys? Anyway, yes Ray Charles _is_ God. And so is Stevie Wonder. Also Jose Feliciano, George Shearing, Diane Schuur, Art Tatum, and lest you fall for some apparent misdirection, you.\* \*not a comprehensive list ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/95 "2013-08-22T18:27:02Z")
I grok. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/96 "2013-08-22T18:31:45Z")
ETA: Anyway I kinda like _Timo_, if only because he makes me think of Timoteo from [this post.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9294675&postcount=1) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/97 "2013-08-22T18:33:18Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > ETA: Anyway I kinda like _Timo_, if only because he makes me think of Timoteo from [this post.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9294675&postcount=1) Oops. I mean **Timo**. Hi, **Timo**! That invitation to check out other threads still stands! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/98 "2013-08-22T19:25:58Z")
> [@Uber\_the\_Goober](#): > > Go fuck your mother with your dead grandfather’s dick you sorry sack of shit. [Moderating] Calling other posters “motherfuckers” is a violation of the Pit’s language rules. Please avoid doing this in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/99 "2013-08-22T19:50:37Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Denying the Trinity, eh? A widely misunderstood doctrine. There is only one Divine Person, but He has a bad case of dissociative identity disorder. ---
**Author:** ![pancakes3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ba9def/32.png) [@pancakes3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pancakes3)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775/100 "2013-08-22T21:04:54Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > He is debating. Or at least he thinks he’s debating. > > He combines a lot of the worst things in the world: what passes for cocksure teenage intellectualism, deeply held (and never questioned) religious beliefs, and shitty homeschooling that had little and/or poor logical reasoning or science training. > > Doesn’t warrant a Pitting but does warrant Pity for certain. Yeah I agree. I don’t feel ire, but rather frustration. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-our-new-friend-timo/666775.md?page=6)