# For post-modern posters, truth depends on who said it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 21, 2003, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740 "2003-08-21T18:29:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/181 "2003-08-23T17:01:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Claiming that when you posted to a thread, and made a direct response to questions and issues raised by the OP, you weren’t really responding to a thread, is mighty weak. > > You fell for it, quite clearly and unambiguously. Creating a strawman to attack me is both weak and dishonest. I did not say I did not respond to his thread. That is your lie. I said I did not respond to his mendacity–that would be the quotes he posted, instead “I did him the courtesy of responding to his actual questions rather than challenging his purported quotes.” **december** posted two quotes and several opinions. I ignored the quotes and responded to the opinions with specific actions that **december** had posted, actually quoting the opinions I addressed and putting them in the context of Bush’s actions. You will note that, as part of his “joke,” **december** posted opinions that were not directly derived from the quotes he used. The quotes talk about the “what if” scenario of leaving Hussein “unchecked” (as would happen if we did not send inspectors back into Iraq). **december** ’s opinions acted as if the “what if” were true, and then went on to throw out his red herring regarding what intelligence sources “told” Bush, (a point not covered in the quotes). I noted that Bush had lied about what he had told us and he lied about what intelligence had told him, politely ignoring the misleading quotes to address Bush’s issues. If responding to **december** ’s actual words is “falling for it,” then I presume that you are calling **december** a troll. **milroyj** , since the best you can do is “me too” a lie, then I will refer you to the above response and note that “you too” are lying. * * * I am not running around the board bashing **december**. I avoid nearly all the **december** **Pit** threads and generally respond to the **IMHO** and **Pit** threads that he is allowed to start in **GD** only by addressing issues in those threads, omitting emotional and personal responses to the poster. I only posted here because I was called out by name. If you can’t address me with honesty in these threads, leave my name out of them. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/182 "2003-08-23T17:15:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Klaatu \* > \*\*Maybe I can anticipate some responses to save y’all time and typing. > > In no particular order: > > Fuck you > You’re an asshole > If it’s “just another message board” find another one dipshit. > You are just another december apologist. > Fuck you Klaatu > Bite me > Cite please > Kiss my ass > > ad nauseum… \*\* How about, “What **december** did was against the rules, borders on trolling, and was pretty damn dishonest and immature?” Grow up, **Klaatu**. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/183 "2003-08-23T17:19:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by whatami \* > \*\*Why is his, **Redfury’s** (?) opinion not important on this board? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve seen on the board this week. “You can’t have an opinion on American politics because you’re not an American!” \*\* You know what they say, opinions are like **RedFury** , everyone has one. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/184 "2003-08-23T17:26:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > **milroyj, since the best you can do is “me too” a lie, then I will refer you to the above response and note that “you too” are lying.** Except I didn’t “me too” a lie, since **Shodan’s** post was spot on. I am not defending **december’s** tactics in that thread, or in GD in general. However, you did fall for it, hook, line, and sinker. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/185 "2003-08-23T17:34:42Z")
Since my name has been taken in vain in this thread, let me comment: **Lib** was saying that I occasionally succumb to the temptation to join a pile-on in responding to **december** ’s latest misrepresentation of the political state of affairs. And he’s entirely correct. I should, I suppose, consider each point raised by **december** separately and dispassionately. But, like all people, I tend to see an overall purpose underlying his turning every issue affecting the body politic into a case of “How does this contribute to the purpose of liberals and Democrats to destroy America and American values?” – and to get irritated by his obnoxious assumptions. Which is, I suppose, exactly the way **december** wants it. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/186 "2003-08-23T18:29:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*You know what they say, opinions are like **RedFury** , everyone has one. \*\* Count me as one of the confused here. Is there some history between you and **RedFury** , or are you actually taking the stance that his (?) opinion on geo/political issues is unimportant because he is not American? A clarification would be most appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/187 "2003-08-23T18:39:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Binarydrone \* > \*\*Count me as one of the confused here. Is there some history between you and **RedFury** , or are you actually taking the stance that his (?) opinion on geo/political issues is unimportant because he is not American? A clarification would be most appreciated. \*\* No, I am merely taking the position that he (?) is an asshole. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/188 "2003-08-23T19:55:19Z")
**milroyj** ----\>tries to obfuscate my post and others in original thread, in order to make partisan point-----\>is called on it twice by myself, at least three other times by **andros** ------\>grudgingly admits to lying, using my post in order to make said point-------\>decides that my opinion is “no longer relevant” as it no longer fits his/her particular line of Bushit-------\>can’t use the same line with **tomndebb** , and American, so he/she resorts to the tried and true “what he said,” piggybacking on **Shodan’s** strawman------\>which is quickly set on fire by **tom** ------\>gets smacked around like wet noodle for being a partisan scumbag by myself and others------\>ever so witty and resourceful, concludes that I am an asshole-----\>burrows deeper into partisan trench, cover eyes and ears, sticks out tongue, hopes it will all go away-------\>dreams of voting for Fearless Misleader in next election come hell or highwater------\>this last thought provokes warm and tingly feelings in genitals------\>creams pants/panties _again_. Just another day in the land of the sheeple. The End. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/189 "2003-08-23T20:07:39Z")
You’re babbling, dear. ---
**Author:** ![Read\_Neck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@Read\_Neck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Read_Neck)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/190 "2003-08-23T20:14:34Z")
**RED FURY !!!** The really graphic nature of your posts. Are you typing with one hand?? :eek: ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/191 "2003-08-23T20:16:50Z")
doesn’t seem like it to me. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/192 "2003-08-23T20:18:21Z")
Fuck. my post was a reply to **milroy** , not **ReadNeck** ---
**Author:** ![whatami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/85f322/32.png) [@whatami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whatami)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/193 "2003-08-23T21:26:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*No, I am merely taking the position that he (?) is an asshole. YMMV. \*\* I don’t know **RedFury** from Adam, or you for that matter. I do know that the position you took, > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > _Originally posted by RedFury_ > > Even after I explained that I am not an American > > _originally posted by milroyj_ > Then your opinion doesn’t really count, now does it? is not that he is merely an asshole. That post shows that you discount his opinion solely because he is not an American. Or that is what you had as a position. Now that you’ve been called on it you’ve apparently changed your mind. ---
**Author:** ![soulmurk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b782af/32.png) [@soulmurk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/soulmurk)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/194 "2003-08-23T21:49:57Z")
Damn, I thought this was going to be a thread about Post-Modernist Art and Literature and actually got excited when I saw so many posts. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/195 "2003-08-23T22:59:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by soulmurk \* > \*\*Damn, I thought this was going to be a thread about Post-Modernist Art and Literature and actually got excited when I saw so many posts. \*\* Very well, then. How the living fuck can the chicken-scratchings of Immendorff or Basquiat be considered ‘art’? I’ll tell you how, you have to qualify that ‘art’ as ‘postmodern’, to lower the viewers’ expectations. Baby Michelangelo cries when confronted with what passes for ‘art’ these days. ---
**Author:** ![Dumbguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Dumbguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dumbguy)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2003, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/196 "2003-08-23T23:06:53Z")
**Lib** is right. The board is clearly biased against [Christians](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=181174&highlight=polycarp+for+president). ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/197 "2003-08-24T00:51:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by whatami \* > \*\*That post shows that you discount his opinion solely because he is not an American. \*\* Nope, not soley, just partially. You have a problem with me calling out anti-American RedFury’s? ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/198 "2003-08-24T01:01:52Z")
::buzzer sound:; non responsive, move that answer be stricken from the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Lobot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ce7236/32.png) [@Lobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobot)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/199 "2003-08-24T01:21:52Z")
“Anti-American” is “communist” for the new millennium. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2003, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740/200 "2003-08-24T01:24:33Z")
and it short cuts the need to prove your point, too. IT’s not just a floor wax! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-post-modern-posters-truth-depends-on-who-said-it/196740.md?page=11)