# For the men...you're in a "tap out" fight against Serena Williams. Who wins? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 30, 2013, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558 "2013-08-30T02:37:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AnalogSignal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/analogsignal/32/1085_2.png) [@AnalogSignal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnalogSignal)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/21 "2013-08-31T15:57:40Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Calling Serena Williams fat is the height of silliness. Serena quoted on [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serena_Williams): > [@](#): > > Williams described them as “good players. Strong players. Players who certainly didn’t expect an overweight, out-of-shape, has been champion like me to give them a game.” ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/22 "2013-08-31T16:01:57Z")
Well then that settles it. She’s a lardo and is washed up. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/23 "2013-08-31T16:12:29Z")
She could easily have her way with me. I may look formidable from 10 feet away, but up close, and in the clutch, I’ve just gotta hope she chooses not to do any permanent damage because she is hot and I’m not tapping out while I’ve still got sweet body contact. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/24 "2013-08-31T16:33:58Z")
Depends on how many fights she’s been. Me: not many, but I imagine more than her. ---
**Author:** ![fanganga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fanganga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fanganga)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/25 "2013-08-31T17:15:53Z")
Serena without a doubt - as an athlete she’d have strength, endurance and pain-tolerance over me. ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/26 "2013-08-31T17:38:50Z")
I’m sure she’s a lot stronger than I am, so odds of me losing are very high. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/27 "2013-08-31T18:01:57Z")
I out-weigh her and probably am stronger than her. She might have a cardio advantage, but I’m also a long distance runner so I think I could hold my own if it dragged on. But I’m getting old and I may be overestimating my strength. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/28 "2013-08-31T18:49:53Z")
I’d cry “uncle” before we even started. ---
**Author:** ![Learjeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/94ad74/32.png) [@Learjeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Learjeff)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/29 "2013-08-31T19:39:02Z")
> [@gaffa](#): > > She could kick my ass from here to next week. Ditto. I spend my days in a chair writing code. She’s an athlete, with strong muscles and fast responses. > [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > I’m not particularly strong or anything, slapp-bang in the middle of Averageville in strength. > > No doubt, if it was serious enough for me to break the “don’t hit girls” rule, I’d win. The fewer the rules, the easier my win would be. Based on what? She’ll be stronger, faster, and I bet she’d fight dirtier too, but wouldn’t need to. I’d bet dollars to donuts that she’s considerably stronger than the average American or European man (let’s even limit that to men in their 20’s), by any reasonably comprehensive measure. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/30 "2013-08-31T23:34:29Z")
I’d say I have a 70% chance. I’d most likely win and I’d probably have to hurt her very badly, but I have a strong feeling I’d be carrying a few scars with me for years to come. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2013, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/31 "2013-09-01T01:21:13Z")
> [@Learjeff](#): > > I’d bet dollars to donuts that she’s considerably stronger than the average American or European man (let’s even limit that to men in their 20’s), by any reasonably comprehensive measure. Not if the man out weighs her, and many will. According to sources online she’s between 150 and 160 pounds, which would put her at a big disadvantage. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2013, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/32 "2013-09-02T15:41:09Z")
I’m 5’ 5", overweight, and have the muscular definition of the Pillsbury Doughboy. Serena would win, but I would enjoy it… ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/33 "2013-09-04T03:36:28Z")
She’s 5’9" and 155 lbs. I’m 6’5" and 250 lbs. Unless she has some incredible martial arts training, I’d win. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/34 "2013-09-04T04:38:35Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > There’s too much [junk in that trunk](http://sosickwithit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/0416-serena-williams-inf-3_zps5036ca1c.jpg). Would you repeat that? Because it sounded like you said she has too much “junk in that trunk”… and I know it couldn’t have been that. ---
**Author:** ![toofs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@toofs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toofs)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/35 "2013-09-04T06:46:58Z")
If we’re talking about a fight that sort of has rules, she might have a chance. That whole boys don’t hit girls thing was well ingrained in me by the women in my life who raised me. An actual street fight, where she is out to actually damage or murder me? Without a doubt I would fuck her up, bad. Like really bad. In this kind of altercation, fight or flight kicks in and she is no longer a girl protected by the behavioural limiters I was raised with, but an existential threat. My greater physical power and stature combined with my training would make for a very broken opponent. She is strong, and very fit. But there is no comparison between her and me if I was in fear for my life. ---
**Author:** ![stui\_magpie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stui_magpie/32/11010_2.png) [@stui\_magpie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stui_magpie)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/36 "2013-09-04T06:54:58Z")
> [@Mosier](#): > > She’s 5’9" and 155 lbs. > > I’m 6’5" and 250 lbs. > > Unless she has some incredible martial arts training, I’d win. Ta for the stats. I’m basically 6’3 1/2" and 220lb, a fair bit older than her and no where near as fit, but I can grapple a bit and in a contest to make the other tap out, with $10k on the line, I’m confident I could win. But I may take my time about it.😃 ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/37 "2013-09-04T07:40:30Z")
I’m a very similar height and weight. I’ve never been much of a fighter Although I now sit behind a desk, I did grow up as a labourer, and I still do run on a regular basis. I would expect that her strength and conditioning would mean that she is at LEAST as strong as I am - I wouldn’t feel comfortable in a fight against her. I would give her 2:1 odds of beating me. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/38 "2013-09-04T17:38:19Z")
I am slim but do not regularly work out. Unless I could do a quick knock-out I think she would probably win due to better stamina and probably better strength. ---
**Author:** ![Lukeinva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lukeinva/32/17872_2.png) [@Lukeinva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lukeinva)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/39 "2013-09-04T19:03:02Z")
I’m a lover not a fighter so it would have to be a wrestling love match… and of course I’d let her win. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2013, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558/40 "2013-09-04T21:36:23Z")
I’m 6’, 220 lbs, and feel confident I could take her easily. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-the-men-youre-in-a-tap-out-fight-against-serena-williams-who-wins/667558.md?page=3)