# For those who don't like Woody Allen movies... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 12, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324 "2008-02-12T20:13:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/21 "2008-02-13T00:51:19Z")
[QUOTE=twickster] He started becoming an asshole about 30 years ago when he started taking himself seriously. He cemented his asshole status with the whole “heart wants what it wants” thing with his stepdaughter. A pandering lesbian scene with two actresses widely drooled over is just further evidence that he’s an asshole. [/QUOTE] Yet he seems to be using his asshole-ness for the greater good for a change! Huzzah! ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/22 "2008-02-13T03:19:48Z")
[QUOTE=twickster] He started becoming an asshole about 30 years ago when he started taking himself seriously. He cemented his asshole status with the whole “heart wants what it wants” thing with his stepdaughter. A pandering lesbian scene with two actresses widely drooled over is just further evidence that he’s an asshole. [/QUOTE] Oh, OK, I get it now. Like this. > [@](#): > > Cassandra’s Dream > The tale of two brothers with serious financial woes. When a third party proposes they turn to crime, things go bad and the two become enemies. Proposing crime to solve money problems. What an asshole. > [@](#): > > Scoop > An American journalism student in London scoops a big story, and begins an affair with an aristocrat as the incident unfurls. Only an asshole would film a student having an affair. > [@](#): > > Match Point > At a turning point in his life, a former tennis pro falls for a femme-fatal type who happens to be dating his friend and soon-to-be brother-in-law. OMG! That’s practically incest! Super asshole territory. > [@](#): > > Melinda and Melinda > Two alternating stories about Melinda’s (Mitchell) attempts to straighten out her life Any film with Will Farrell in it is automatically assholish. I like this game. Let’s play more! ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/23 "2008-02-13T03:25:08Z")
[QUOTE=Exapno Mapcase] Proposing crime to solve money problems. What an asshole. [/QUOTE] The asshole has used that theme before, in _Take the Money and Run_ AND _Small-Time Crooks_. So he’s pro-crime, and unoriginal to boot. What an asshole! ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/24 "2008-02-13T03:39:48Z")
[QUOTE=Big Bad Voodoo Lou] The asshole has used that theme before, in _Take the Money and Run_ AND _Small-Time Crooks_. So he’s pro-crime, and unoriginal to boot. What an asshole! [/QUOTE] And let’s not forget that _Match Point_ was basically a remake of _Crimes and Misdemeanors_. A double-dipping asshole! ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/25 "2008-02-13T04:04:09Z")
He’s gonna have to work mighty hard to top David Lynch. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/26 "2008-02-13T11:15:59Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] Scarlett Johansson is possibly the most overrated (looks and talent-wise) celebrity, ever. Sounds like a waste of what could’ve been a hot Penelope Cruz scene. [/QUOTE] How funny… I was just about to write a post identical to yours in every way, except with the two actresses switched. Oh, well, that’s what makes horse races. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/27 "2008-02-13T14:39:20Z")
Point taken. **shrug** I don’t like Woody Allen, and think he’s an asshole. I loved his movies up through _Annie Hall_ (which, alas, doesn’t hold up very well), but thought that his move towards thinking he was Ingmar freaking Bergman made for some seriously shitty cinema. I decided at some point – after sleeping through _Zelig_, IIRC – that I didn’t need to see any more of them. At this point, I feel no urgency about revisiting my prejudice against them – and him, given his behavior in the Soon-Yi debacle – so I may well have missed some movies I would have liked. I was (I thought) responding in spirit to the OP, whose premise was (I thought) “if you don’t like Woody Allen movies, this hot chick-on-chick action will change your mind.” My reaction was, since I’m a middle-aged, straight female, no, the thought of these two swapping spit will not actually get me to change my mind about Woody Allen or his movies. Sorry to spoil your fun, **Exapno**. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/28 "2008-02-13T18:13:56Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] Exactly why I posted what I did. This straight guy thinks Bardem is a troll. It’s saying a lot when Woody Harrelson is not the ugliest guy in No Country For Old Men… [/QUOTE] A troll? [I don’t think so.](http://www.labutaca.net/50sansebastian/imagenes/bardem2.jpg) Blame the pageboy haircut and weird stare in _NC4OM_. But, to this straight dude, he’s pretty good looking. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/29 "2008-02-13T20:15:20Z")
Can we substitute Salma Hayek for Penelope Cruz? Rrrrowr! ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/30 "2008-02-13T20:26:17Z")
[QUOTE=control-z] Can we substitute Salma Hayek for Penelope Cruz? Rrrrowr! [/QUOTE] Probably [the closest you’re going to get.](http://www.imdb.com/media/rm3156578816/tt0416496) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/31 "2008-02-13T20:27:11Z")
[QUOTE=Cisco] Scarlett Johansson is possibly the most overrated (looks and talent-wise) celebrity, ever. [/QUOTE] Ever? I mean, like, _ever?_ More overrated than, say, Bo Derek? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/32 "2008-02-13T21:21:40Z")
**twickster** , For what it’s worth, I’m twenty years younger than you, and had mostly the same reaction, although I’d have worded it less strongly, because I’m me. ---
**Author:** ![Wargamer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/df705f/32.png) [@Wargamer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wargamer)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/33 "2008-02-13T21:33:03Z")
Penelope and Scarlett in a liplock? Man, that Woody Allen, what an artist! ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/34 "2008-02-13T23:00:10Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Ever? I mean, like, _ever?_ More overrated than, say, Bo Derek? Really? [/QUOTE] How was Bo Derek overrated? Even at her brief peak, she was never regarded as a competent–let alone good–actress. At least Scarlett Johansson has some decent performances in **Ghost World** and **Lost in Translation** going for her. Even if she did nothing but straight-to-DVD crap for the rest of her life, she’s still far ahead of anything Derek ever did. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2008, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/35 "2008-02-13T23:47:08Z")
Woody Allen started repeating himself 25 years ago. He’s always pretty shamelessly objectified women in his movies, so I don’t see this as anything new so much as it’s just a further slide down the slope. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/36 "2008-04-30T20:23:20Z")
It appears the publicist [may have exaggerated just a little bit](http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/04/woody_allen_nixes_threesome_dr.html). Sorry, straight dudes… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/37 "2008-04-30T20:30:43Z")
[QUOTE=NDP] How was Bo Derek overrated? Even at her brief peak, she was never regarded as a competent–let alone good–actress. [/QUOTE] No, but she was rather famously considered a [10](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078721/). Which I think is overstating things somewhat. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/38 "2008-04-30T20:45:59Z")
What the hell’s the point? I’ve never given an eagle’s beak about nudity in mainstream movies. What am I going to do, start whacking it right there in the theater? If I wanted to see two hot women fuck each other, I would get a porno movie. There are women in porn who are just as hot as Scarlet and Penelope. And it would be an actual sex scene, also, not a fake one, and it would show everything instead of hiding 80 percent of it. Fuck this. ---
**Author:** ![YellowTail](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5ac83/32.png) [@YellowTail](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YellowTail)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/39 "2008-04-30T23:33:29Z")
[QUOTE=control-z] Can we substitute Salma Hayek for Penelope Cruz? Rrrrowr! [/QUOTE] I second that emotion. Penelope Cruz looks like Bob Sagett to me. Ick. Still it is a lesbian scene. I’ll be renting this one! ---
**Author:** ![Harmonious\_Discord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/74df32/32.png) [@Harmonious\_Discord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonious_Discord)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324/40 "2008-04-30T23:41:09Z")
No thanks, this doesn’t take him off my hate list. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-those-who-dont-like-woody-allen-movies/437324.md?page=3)