# For what it's worth I'm with JB99 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2019, 11:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758 "2019-02-18T11:15:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/41 "2019-02-19T17:43:19Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > **andy** should be **BPC** ’s role model. All of the progressive sanctimony, none of the fragility. Get this, folks – **WillF** is calling _someone else_ sanctimonious! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/42 "2019-02-19T18:08:35Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Get this, folks – **WillF** is calling _someone else_ sanctimonious! Hey _guys!_ Someone on the Internet has a non groupthink thought! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/43 "2019-02-19T18:18:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Hey _guys!_ Someone on the Internet has a non groupthink thought! > > :eek: I’m sure it’s comforting to think of those that disagree with you as suffering from “groupthink”. Branching out and exploring _why_ those that disagree with you feel the way they do can be challenging, but IMO it’s often very rewarding. Of course, mocking people when they say something dumb can also be a lot of fun. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/44 "2019-02-19T18:31:20Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > It’s bullshit. A handful of assholes here have twisted a misunderstanding on my part into a bizarre story where I somehow abused an underaged retarded girl (I didn’t, and her “mental disorder” was gender dysphoria). This was over half a decade ago, mind you. I’ve repeatedly asked the moderators to do something about it, this kind of shit is really fucking low, but apparently we can add “maliciously inventing lies about members” to the list of things they’re bad at dealing with, along with “trolling”. Apparently per Budget Rapist Cadet, “maliciously inventing lies” means "showing direct quotes from the child-molester in question. [See here, posts 1 and 44, both posts by Budget Rapist Cadet](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=661026%22). Not my words. His posts. First version: she was 16, he was 18. Second version: her mom said she wasn’t “15 like she told you”, ergo she was at most, 14. It also has come out (I’m not doing all the damned google-searching again) that 1. The girl may be genetically a boy with some gender identity issues (or the reverse–it’s never been clear of the victim’s birth identity…or preferred identity. I’ll going to assume that she is or wants to be a “her” for this) 2. The victim is at minimum mentally challenged and may be mentally ill as well. She certainly isn’t capable of giving knowing consent. Budget Rapist Cadet gets all grumpy when people quote his posts back to him saying that somehow we made his posts up and are maliciously lying. But he never explains how we made him lie in his own posts. Part of the issue is that he was doing a bunch of (poorly done) stealth brags (he’d fucked older women, etc) and was on a posting-high when he let slip that he’d raped the mentally challenged, gender-identity confused 14 (or less) year old. He’s been mixing frantic backpedaling with bellicose, semi-articulate rage-posting ever since. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/45 "2019-02-19T18:57:32Z")
Hey Fenris? She was 16 at the time. I was 18. I apparently had misunderstood what her mother had said. I said that 6 years ago and I’ll say it again now. Fucking stop it, dude. This pathetic six-year vendetta needs to stop. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/46 "2019-02-19T19:23:16Z")
As much as I’d like to bash him over the head for deviating from social customs, this kind of stuff happens all the time and is quite natural. Also it was a long time ago. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/47 "2019-02-19T19:34:04Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Hey Fenris? > > She was 16 at the time. I was 18. I apparently had misunderstood what her mother had said. I said that 6 years ago and I’ll say it again now. > > Fucking stop it, dude. This pathetic six-year vendetta needs to stop. You were 18. You say you believed she was sixteen. Her mother said she wasn’t 15 “like you thought”. Ergo, she was 14. And mentally challenged. And fighting some sort of serious gender identity confusion (to the point where, later in the thread you refer to her as “he” several times) and therefore probably not in a place where she could give consent. You are a rapist, a hypocrite and a sanctimonious liar. You’re actually worse than Caesario–at least that sicko understood the idea of consent. (Granted, he thought a toddler could give it, but you don’t even seem to vaguely understand why one doesn’t rape a person much younger who’s got mental issues and and is mentally challenged.) BTW: the fact that you out-and-out bragged about raping her on the internet makes it worse. Finally, y’know, your posts aren’t going anywhere. All I need to do is link to the original thread and point people to posts 1 and 44 and your hysterical denials and lies are exposed by your own words. And every time I see you lie about your posts, I’ll point out the thread where you brag about taking advantage of the underaged, gender-confused, mentally challenged kid. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/48 "2019-02-19T19:57:28Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You shouldn’t speak of your betters like that. Didn’t you start a thread about messing with a mentally challenged teen? Or do I have you confused with some other freak? You’re remembering an event that happened several years before you joined. Again. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/49 "2019-02-19T20:00:34Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > Her mother said she wasn’t 15 “like you thought”. Ergo, she was 14. Didn’t read the original post, but thinking “not 15” means “14” seems like a pretty stupid assumption. I think there may be numbers other than 14 that are also not 15, like 632. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/50 "2019-02-19T20:07:30Z")
If you didn’t read the original post, stop and go back and read it–because in context, there’s no other way to read it except as “14 or younger”. I know it’s super-fun to try to play “gotcha”, but it’s kind of pathetic to do it without clicking on a link to the post. But since it’s too much bother, let me quote Budget Rapist Cadet from his post #44: > [@Hun, Please tell me your mom will throw you out for having a boyfriend \_before\_ I become your first](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hun-please-tell-me-your-mom-will-throw-you-out-for-having-a-boyfriend-_before_-i-become-your-first/630522/44): > > Slight epilogue: she told her mom she wanted to be with me and now I’m not allowed to see her any more. I went to her house to try to say goodbye, and her mom told me “Oh, you’re fine, you’ve done nothing wrong. It’s just that she isn’t ready to have a boyfriend; she has developmental disorders, and she isn’t 15 like she told you”. > > …She told me she was 16… I’m not even going to think too hard about that. She’s not 16, she’s not 15, if she’s 17 or older, the thread doesn’t make sense, ergo she’s charitably 14. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/51 "2019-02-19T20:19:07Z")
**BPC** , IMO your best response to this is something like the following: “When I was 18 I was incredibly stupid and overshared about my intimate life because I was so excited to be sexually active. Further, I made some really stupid and likely harmful decisions that may have hurt others, and I’m really sorry for this and I’ve learned a lot – most notably, that I need to be very careful to ensure consent (including ensuring the ability to consent) in my personal life going forward. In addition to how sorry I am that my actions may have harmed others, I’m terribly embarassed that these words will exist in perpetuity on the internet – they reflect very poorly on me, and the only thing I’ll say further on the topic is that I’ve grown immensely and I believe that I’m a much better person than I was then.” Assuming you think the above is accurate (and hopefully it is as far as your perception of your own actions), I recommend that you respond with your own version of that, and then link to it anytime the issue comes up again. Getting into the weeds of how severely you messed up is unwise, IMO. You did mess up, based on your words – and hopefully you’ve learned from your mistakes (both in your actions and in what you choose to discuss on the internet). ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/52 "2019-02-19T20:20:26Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Hey Fenris? > > She was 16 at the time. I was 18. I apparently had misunderstood what her mother had said. I said that 6 years ago and I’ll say it again now. > > Fucking stop it, dude. This pathetic six-year vendetta needs to stop. That bullshitter in wolf’s clothing won’t stop until you ignore him. ETA: watch him whine about being “stalked”, despite the fact that I was in this thread first. ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/53 "2019-02-19T20:23:13Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Didn’t read the original post, but thinking “not 15” means “14” seems like a pretty stupid assumption. I think there may be numbers other than 14 that are also not 15, like 632. it’s not a stupid assumption at all, actually. When a girl that age is dating someone older, if they’re going to lie about their age, it’a going to be to make themselves older, not younger. 1000% of the time. If the girl’s mom said “she’s not 15 like she told you”, there is no fucking way she was 16 in reality. Her statement points to her being 14, possibly even 13. Cite - former teen girl who often lied about her age to older guys, always to make myself older. Come to think of it, my actual age + 2 years seemed to be the guideline. Don’t ask me why. ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/54 "2019-02-19T21:07:28Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > It’s bullshit. A handful of assholes here have twisted a misunderstanding on my part into a bizarre story where I somehow abused an underaged retarded girl (I didn’t, and her “mental disorder” was gender dysphoria). This was over half a decade ago, mind you. I’ve repeatedly asked the moderators to do something about it, this kind of shit is really fucking low, but apparently we can add “maliciously inventing lies about members” to the list of things they’re bad at dealing with, along with “trolling”. This is what you said in the original thread: > [@Budget Player Cadet](#): > > Slight epilogue: she told her mom she wanted to be with me and now I’m not allowed to see her any more. I went to her house to try to say goodbye, and her mom told me “Oh, you’re fine, you’ve done nothing wrong. It’s just that she isn’t ready to have a boyfriend; she has developmental disorders, and she isn’t 15 like she told you”. > > …She told me she was 16… I’m not even going to think too hard about that. The last sentence especially seems to indicate you know this means she’s actually younger. After some incredulous posts, you say this: > [@Budget Player Cadet](#): > > She’s 16, her mother meant something else (her _mental_ state). Sounds an awful lot like backtracking, and doesn’t jive with your claim above that the only disorder she has is gender dysphoria. This isn’t snarkers having it out for you, it’s a logical assessment of what you yourself posted. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/55 "2019-02-19T21:07:58Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > That bullshitter in wolf’s clothing won’t stop until you ignore him. > > ETA: watch him whine about being “stalked”, despite the fact that I was in this thread first. Bwah? Even for you, that’s incoherent. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/56 "2019-02-19T23:14:12Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > You’re remembering an event that happened several years before you joined. Again. Wow! Such intellect. Psst. I know some words in Latin as well. I wasn’t around chatting with Cicero or Virgil either. How can that be?!? If only there was some crazy and magical means to record words… > **[Magna Carta](https://www.archivesfoundation.org/documents/magna-carta/)** > > In 1215, the despotic King John of England was confronted by an assembly of barons demanding that traditional rights be recognized, written down, confirmed with the royal seal, and sent to each of the counties to be read to all freemen. What sorcery is this? Words from the past?!? Writing? How does this work? It’s a mystery more mysterious than magnets. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/57 "2019-02-20T00:18:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > **BPC** , IMO your best response to this is something like the following: Wouldn’t his best response be to not respond? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/58 "2019-02-20T00:20:25Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Wouldn’t his best response be to not respond? Possibly. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/59 "2019-02-20T00:56:36Z")
> [@Fenris](#): > > All I need to do is link to the original thread and point people to posts 1 and 44 and your hysterical denials and lies are exposed by your own words. And every time I see you lie about your posts, I’ll point out the thread where you brag about taking advantage of the underaged, gender-confused, mentally challenged kid. FWIW, I clicked your link out of curiosity as I had not heard about this before, and I don’t agree with your characterization of what BPC did. From those two posts at least, there is not enough information to fairly accuse him of rape. ETA: In response to iiiandyiiiii’s typical sanctimony, I can only respond with a huge :rolleyes:. ---
**Author:** ![Steophan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steophan/32/9595_2.png) [@Steophan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steophan)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2019, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758/60 "2019-02-20T09:30:20Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > FWIW, I clicked your link out of curiosity as I had not heard about this before, and I don’t agree with your characterization of what BPC did. From those two posts at least, there is not enough information to fairly accuse him of rape. She was 14. He took her virginity. That is enough information to accuse him of statutory rape, even before we take into account the learning difficulties and other issues that would mean that, even if we ignore the law that says she can’t consent, she still would probably not be able to. Lets put this in a context that much of this board can relate to. What BPC admitted doing in that thread, and is now lying about, is far worse that what Brett Kavanaugh was accused of. Hopefully anyone who thinks Kavanaugh should have his career ended based just on those allegations will think that BPC should suffer the same level of consequences based on his admissions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/for-what-its-worth-im-with-jb99/829758.md?page=4)