# Forbidden Forest - Unspoiled Harry Potter Mafia Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 27, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719 "2010-06-27T22:22:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/1 "2010-06-27T22:22:18Z")
If you are alive in the game stay out or I will kill you(in the game)! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/2 "2010-06-27T22:23:27Z")
Yeah, so once things pick up, this is the thread for the ongoing discussion of the game. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![MHaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bbe5ce/32.png) [@MHaye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MHaye)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2010, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/3 "2010-06-27T22:55:50Z")
_twiddles thumbs_ ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/4 "2010-06-28T00:05:01Z")
> [@MHaye](#): > > _twiddles thumbs_ Yeah, wait until the actual weekdays for the game to pick up. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/5 "2010-06-28T18:58:15Z")
Iā€™d like to be considered as a sub if you think you might still have any need of one; if not, then spoilers would be good. If neither of those is a current option, then, um ā€¦ hi! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/6 "2010-06-28T19:02:20Z")
Iā€™ll put you on the sub list, Normal. Iā€™ll sub until the end of Day 2. Eerily quiet in the main game thread. No idea why. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/7 "2010-06-28T19:12:21Z")
Dunno, but I find Rystoā€™s post and the comments on it to be interesting reading. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/8 "2010-06-28T19:17:04Z")
Fearless prediction: The scum will be Harry, Hermione and Ron. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2010, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/9 "2010-06-28T19:28:30Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Dunno, but I find Rystoā€™s post and the comments on it to be interesting reading. Iā€™m actually surprised he said what he said. I thought it was going to be the launching point for people to lynch him. Most players have said nothing, so far, though. ??? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/10 "2010-06-29T18:59:53Z")
> [@](#): > > Very rarely have I seen a true Scum slip. Man, Drain, if thatā€™s true youā€™re just not paying attention. The problem isnā€™t that Scum donā€™t betray their non-town perspective often, because they do; itā€™s because most of the time the only players with an adequate perspective to recognize it are fellow scum (even more so if the game has multiple mafia teams or scum plus serial killer). The pointing out of slips has a pretty decent chance of being scum-on-scum bussing or scum team A on scum team B, and that needs to be recognized, but in my experience PIS slips of various magnitudes are quite common. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/11 "2010-06-29T19:04:43Z")
Although I should also mention, looking at her comment again, that I fully agree with what sheā€™s implying about the ā€˜careless languageā€™ from a townie most often being picked up by an opportunistic mafia. There are slips and there are slips. She appears to be referring more to non-town _perspective_; I was focusing on non-town _knowledge_. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/12 "2010-06-29T19:26:36Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Man, Drain, if thatā€™s true youā€™re just not paying attention. Agreed ā€“ what looks like a scum slip is more than likely going to be an innocent townie comment, but the slips are still out there. Case in point: [ā€œToDay was a disasterā€](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=9574350&postcount=1148). ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/13 "2010-06-29T20:04:58Z")
Yup, thatā€™s a good one, and and an example of the ā€œgod, you/we/the town suckā€ scum tell, to boot. A classic of the genre. šŸ™‚ Think also Pleonastā€™s slip on day one of a recent Giraffe board game, where he revealed himself accidentally as a non-vanilla role and then couldnā€™t follow it up with a plausible townie-type response once called out; and Boozy in the most recent of Pleonastā€™s Conspiracy games. The type of stuff I think Drain was focusing on are things like a townie sort of subtly shading toward a mafia perspective (Like ā€œThe townies are restless todayā€ as a throwaway comment, and then someone coming along and saying ā€œOMG you talked about townies as if you arenā€™t one. Scum!!!ā€ I swear nine times out of ten the second player is the actual scum in the scenario.) Then thereā€™s the ā€œknowledgeā€ slips like I first referred to, which happen all the damn time ā€“ like perhaps the mafia deliberately does a no-kill. Then later that day, in discussing it, one of the scum players refers to the situation by either overemphasizing or completely omitting that possibility (or omitting other plausible explanations), because they know damn well it wasnā€™t that the mafia got roleblocked or whatever. Such things are painfully easy to see if you are fellow scum (or competing scum with a roleblocker who was employed elsewhere, or whatever), but much more difficult for town. In such cases itā€™s maybe 50-50 whether the person who points it out is bussing from over-anxiety or a townie who really did pick up on something. But very frequently the person who makes this kind of apparent slip really is scum. As an aside, I wonder why more people playing mafia roles donā€™t deliberately make ā€˜townieā€™ slips? The kind of really obvious mistake that everyone looks at and says ā€œoh they must be town because the mafia would never forget something like thatā€. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/14 "2010-06-29T23:10:45Z")
Why the heck is the conversation on Day One so little? This game has, without a doubt, the _least_ conversation on Day One of any game I modded. And, oddly enough, it had the \*quickest \*sign-ups. Iā€™m tempted to figure out who has been quiet and PM them to remind them. šŸ˜• ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2010, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/15 "2010-06-29T23:24:15Z")
It has been unusually quiet, not much going on other than the talk about Rystoā€™s advice and now the Chipicabra thing. I am getting an overzealous newbie Town read on Chipicabra. Sorry I missed the signup, but then again glad I donā€™t have to actually decide who to vote for. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/16 "2010-06-30T19:32:44Z")
Yeesh, itā€™s still surprisingly quiet for a Day One. Thing Fish, do you want to join the sub list? ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2010, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/17 "2010-06-30T20:02:55Z")
Funny the things that ping different people, because this from Drain: > [@](#): > > Iā€™ll admit my vote was as much on hunch as anything else, but the above quote has given me yet another reason to vote for you. I feel like I must be missing something, because thatā€™s maybe one of the more blatantly scummy comments Iā€™ve seen in all my time of playing Mafia. Totally pings me. Maybe itā€™s so ā€œblatantā€ because Omi has no conception of how it sounds? But that said, I do find it a weird vote justification, and Drain never fails to look like scum to me. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/18 "2010-07-01T02:56:56Z")
Jeez, last day of the Day and six hours go by without posts? ā˜¹ Iā€™m tempted, but Iā€™ll be in the woods without access for a week next month, so probably not a good idea. As of now I would be voting for Omi, for the reasons others have noted and also for accusing Chip of ā€œpreventing us from hearing more from other peopleā€. Chip is being pretty annoying, but it isnā€™t actually his fault that nobody else is posting! ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/19 "2010-07-01T03:24:48Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Jeez, last day of the Day and six hours go by without posts? ā˜¹ Iā€™m tempted, but Iā€™ll be in the woods without access for a week next month, so probably not a good idea. I know. I have no idea. Quickest signups ever. Very excited group. Then silence. ā˜¹ šŸ˜• ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2010, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/20 "2010-07-01T15:32:20Z")
And storyteller hasnā€™t said anything, right? Itā€™s weird. Iā€™m also highly suspicious of the ease of lynching omni. I would have been one of the first to vote for him, but at this point iā€™m bothered by the lack of any defense for him (either directly or through accusations at others). If heā€™s town, then Iā€™m wondering about Shadow and one and only. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719.md?page=2)