# Forbidden Forest - Unspoiled Harry Potter Mafia Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 27, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719 "2010-06-27T22:22:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/221 "2010-07-26T06:49:41Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > I’m going to be furious to lose this game. Going to be? as in you aren’t already? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/222 "2010-07-26T07:25:36Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > … public forbidden threads … > When I’m playing, I create a bookmark for the game thread and, in general, forget about the forbidden thread unless it’s mentioned. I’m using the wrong bookmark because, in the game at another site, I see the labeled forbidden thread and experience a slight “Imp of the Perverse”(\*) fear I might click there. (Even without clicking I see the most recent who/when – I suppose after interesting game-thread posts I could monitor that and draw inference from any flurry of activity! :rolleyes: ) (\* - a word I learned in a **Mahaloth** thread!) These forbidden threads can get confusing. I’ve the password for the Harry Potter **very** forbidden thread, so perhaps shouldn’t even be posting here in the merely-forbidden thread. Reminds one of Pentagon security levels! **special ed** and I are both in _Conspiracy 4_, so I get a slight tinge of illicitness by responding to him here. Does anyone else suffer from “Imp of the Perverse”? and why doesn’t it have a fancy Greek name? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/223 "2010-07-26T10:16:09Z")
“” …and there goes the last of my waning enthusiasm for this game. **Let’s just lynch someone and get the game over with** , OK? It’s too frustrating to actually try to play when stuff like this keeps happening. “” Would the bolded be PIS ? Or just the math ? Players already knee-jerking to “Oh noes game iz ovr?” seem to be … need to be looked at.,No ? ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/224 "2010-07-26T11:17:21Z")
(Haven’t actually read the game thread) I think the bolded is just wishful thinking. The person you are quoting is intensely frustrated and wants the game to be over. It’s possible that it is actually PIS or math, but I suspect it’s more wishful thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Hoopy\_Frood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hoopy_frood/32/8452_2.png) [@Hoopy\_Frood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hoopy_Frood)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/225 "2010-07-26T15:31:47Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Tracking means that you watch one player overnight, and learn about night actions involving them. What precisely you learn varies a bit: For instance, you might learn whether they did anything, but not what it was or to whom, or you might get a list of all people who had interactions with them (who they targeted or who targeted them), or the like. The point is, it gives some information, but not as much as a true Detective. This can be useful if, for instance, someone claims vanilla, but you can say “But wait, I saw you take an action on Night 3”. You’re actually talking about two roles here. The “Tracker” is the role who sees what actions their target takes. The “Watcher” is the role who sees what actions other players take on that target. As town roles, they are weaker than a full detective. As scum roles, a tracker is about the equivalent of, and a watcher is actually more useful than a detective. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/226 "2010-07-26T15:38:43Z")
> [@](#): > > If it looks like a handshake, talks like a handshake… Yes, if it did. But it doesn’t look like a handshake. Does the knowledge that **Jimmy Chitwood** has the Snitch, and **GuiriEnEspaña** has never had it, actually tell you anything about those players? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/227 "2010-07-26T15:55:58Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > > [@Lamia](#): > > > > Well, the Townies were really lucky for the first couple of days… > > I disagree. That was solid Town play. Admittedly it was aided by really bad scum play, but that’s why I’m so angry. Scum do not deserve to be at double lynch or lose when the first two lynches of the game were of scum. Damn right. It’s incredibly frustrating to put hours and hours of thought and strategy into a game, while others are barely playing, editing posts, reading the forbidden thread, and generally playing sloppy. It _really_ sucks the fun out, and it makes me not want to play anymore. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/228 "2010-07-26T16:54:10Z")
I agree it is a bummer what has happened in this game, but for the future of mafia games, I think it was the right choice. A good strict enforcement of the rules will hopefully make future games better. But with what went down, Town is actually benefitting from the modkill. It might negatively affect game play, but as for winning, it gives Town an extra lynch. I think it was a strong possibility that Town would have voted to lynch HardlySanguine Today. Now they can lynch someone else. As for Inner Stickler, I’ll be shocked if he is scum. (1) his one-off vote was for Town. If he was scum, I would think that his ineffective vote would at least go somewhere scummy. Though if there is only one scum left, then I guess that doesn’t apply. (2) he could easily join the bandwagon and slide by. He wasn’t causing the lynch and there are plenty of other voters in the lynch. (3) he wasn’t protecting HardlySanguine because Hardly is known Town. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/229 "2010-07-26T17:18:08Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I agree it is a bummer what has happened in this game, but for the future of mafia games, I think it was the right choice. A good strict enforcement of the rules will hopefully make future games better. Thanks. This game continues to be an amazing, weird, wonderful, terrible, fascinating, depressing, frustrating, and highly different experience for me on many levels. Whenever it does reach its conclusion, I’ll have tons to say about it and its many unbelievable happenings. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/230 "2010-07-26T18:59:15Z")
See! I’m oddly in tune with storyteller in this game. It’s truly bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/231 "2010-07-26T19:04:07Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > I agree it is a bummer what has happened in this game, but for the future of mafia games, I think it was the right choice. A good strict enforcement of the rules will hopefully make future games better. Oh, absolutely. I’m not annoyed at **Mahaloth** enforcing rules, I’m annoyed at players being lazy and stupid. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/232 "2010-07-26T19:10:54Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > See! I’m oddly in tune with storyteller in this game. It’s truly bizarre. I mostly agree with you both. Initially, I thought **Stickler’s** vote was scummy, but since the scum then killed me, it doesn’t really make sense. I’m not yet sold that he’s Town, but I would call that vote neutral now. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/233 "2010-07-26T21:28:54Z")
> [@Harry Potter Mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/618): > > The other is that the Snitch was the thing they handed out to all the contestants in Goblet of Fire, and that Harry had to unlock to hear a message about one of the feats in the tournament, so there’s a precedent for it being a mechanism to pass secret information along. FTR, Jimmy has misremembered. It was a golden egg, not a snitch. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/234 "2010-07-26T21:38:48Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > … I’m annoyed at players being lazy and stupid. You have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/235 "2010-07-26T23:07:20Z")
Did I miss something or has no one claimed to be Ron? Seems kind of funny there wouldn’t be a Ron in this game. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2010, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/236 "2010-07-26T23:24:56Z")
Y’know, actually, that’s a point in favor of **Inner Stickler**. If he were Scum, claiming last, with as major a character as Ron unclaimed, it’d be the obvious choice. Claiming McGonagal makes most sense if it’s actually true. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/237 "2010-07-27T13:33:10Z")
> [@Harry Potter Mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/621): > > We have exactly one confirmed town. I think we should lynch whoever story wants to lynch. I hate, hate, hate this attitude. Deferring to confirmed town players reduces the amount of information that Town gets from the lynch and the confirmed town players aren’t any more likely to be correct than the unconfirmed town. Following the masons seems to cost the Town way more often than it helps them IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/238 "2010-07-27T13:58:34Z")
> [@Harry Potter Mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/621): > > > [@Harry Potter Mafia](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/harry-potter-mafia/544429/621): > > > > We have exactly one confirmed town. I think we should lynch whoever story wants to lynch. > > I hate, hate, hate this attitude. Deferring to confirmed town players reduces the amount of information that Town gets from the lynch and the confirmed town players aren’t any more likely to be correct than the unconfirmed town. Following the masons seems to cost the Town way more often than it helps them IMO. Yeah, plus town –\> right is just as true as wrong –\> scum. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/239 "2010-07-27T14:49:26Z")
and i want to publicly apologize to **maha**. i told him i would help him in this game and then rl intruded and nothing from me. but excuses are like belly buttons, everyone has one. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/240 "2010-07-27T14:53:07Z")
Story has the right idea, if only Town could be organized enough to pull it off - set a deadline of say noon Wednesday for all other votes to be in, let Story pick a target, then all line up behind the confirmed Town. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719.md?page=13)