# Forbidden Forest - Unspoiled Harry Potter Mafia Discussion **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [June 27, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719 "2010-06-27T22:22:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/241 "2010-07-27T15:06:00Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and i want to publicly apologize to **maha**. i told him i would help him in this game and then rl intruded and nothing from me. > > but excuses are like belly buttons, everyone has one. No biggie. Help Red out this week if you can. I’ll be out of town(though I do expect to have internet). ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/242 "2010-07-27T15:10:29Z")
storyteller is my HP doppleganger. I agree with everything he said about masons. Masons should weigh in last and not affect the vote record. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/243 "2010-07-27T16:37:27Z")
In fact, what **storyteller** said could even be strengthened further. He said that he has no more information than anyone else, but in fact, he has strictly less information than anyone else in the game. Everyone else knows their own alignment and also knows that **storyteller** is Town, but **storyteller** himself only knows his own alignment. And, of course, at least one player knows a _lot_ more than **storyteller** , but that player probably isn’t going to be too helpful. All that said, though, at LyLo, it really does make sense for Town to all follow the Mason. If Town is split, then Scum can switch at the last moment to force a mislynch and win the game, so Town absolutely must not be split at LyLo. And the easiest way to ensure that is for everyone to follow the Mason. The catch, of course, is that we don’t know if we actually are at LyLo or not. ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/244 "2010-07-27T16:46:15Z")
> [@sachertorte](#): > > storyteller is my HP doppleganger. I agree with everything he said about masons. Masons should weigh in last and not affect the vote record. Concur completely. **OAOW’s** suggestion is wrong, lazy, and possibly scummy. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/245 "2010-07-27T17:30:42Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > and i want to publicly apologize to **maha**. i told him i would help him in this game and then rl intruded and nothing from me. > > > > but excuses are like belly buttons, everyone has one. > > No biggie. Help Red out this week if you can. I’ll be out of town(though I do expect to have internet). otay. hey, **red** let’s tell 'em they get a penalty vote if they don’t play poker on thursday. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2010, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/246 "2010-07-27T19:51:45Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > > > and i want to publicly apologize to **maha**. i told him i would help him in this game and then rl intruded and nothing from me. > > > > > > but excuses are like belly buttons, everyone has one. > > > > No biggie. Help Red out this week if you can. I’ll be out of town(though I do expect to have internet). > > otay. > > hey, **red** let’s tell 'em they get a penalty vote if they don’t play poker on thursday. I should give you a penalty vote for winning last week. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/247 "2010-07-28T00:25:58Z")
> [@Hoopy\_Frood](#): > > > [@Chronos](#): > > > > Tracking means that you watch one player overnight, and learn about night actions involving them. What precisely you learn varies a bit: For instance, you might learn whether they did anything, but not what it was or to whom, or you might get a list of all people who had interactions with them (who they targeted or who targeted them), or the like. The point is, it gives some information, but not as much as a true Detective. This can be useful if, for instance, someone claims vanilla, but you can say “But wait, I saw you take an action on Night 3”. > > You’re actually talking about two roles here. > > The “Tracker” is the role who sees what actions their target takes. > > The “Watcher” is the role who sees what actions other players take on that target. > > As town roles, they are weaker than a full detective. As scum roles, a tracker is about the equivalent of, and a watcher is actually more useful than a detective. It’s true that they are weaker, but the cool thing is that they are way more skill-intensive. It takes some work to figure out what your results mean. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/248 "2010-07-28T01:05:12Z")
Where it gets really interesting is in something like **Pleonast** ’s Munchkin ruleset: In that game, everyone had a Watching power, in addition to other powers which could be used on other players (some beneficial, some harmful). So you’d have “I saw you take a nonmagical action targeting Bob. I think you were stealing from him.” “No, I was just using my own watching power on him, and saw him do something to Joe.” ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/249 "2010-07-28T01:39:44Z")
The relative power of a single watcher scales in proportion to the number of other night actors. They can be as powerful as a doctor since they are a significant deterrent to NK’s on claimed power roles. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/250 "2010-07-28T02:27:59Z")
> [@](#): > > They can be as powerful as a doctor since they are a significant deterrent to NK’s on claimed power roles. Possibly more so, based on what happens in the unclaimed situation. In most cases, it’s better to learn the identity of one Scum (if the watcher does happen to watch the victim) than it is to prevent one Night-kill (if the doctor happens to protect the victim). Plus he can sometimes help verify other power-role claims. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/251 "2010-07-29T12:37:53Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > > [@Mahaloth](#): > > > > > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > > > > > and i want to publicly apologize to **maha**. i told him i would help him in this game and then rl intruded and nothing from me. > > > > > > > > but excuses are like belly buttons, everyone has one. > > > > > > No biggie. Help Red out this week if you can. I’ll be out of town(though I do expect to have internet). > > > > otay. > > > > hey, **red** let’s tell 'em they get a penalty vote if they don’t play poker on thursday. > > I should give you a penalty vote for winning last week. And ‘the beams’ cross even more. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/252 "2010-07-29T12:39:54Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Where it gets really interesting is in something like **Pleonast** ’s Munchkin ruleset: In that game, everyone had a Watching power, in addition to other powers which could be used on other players (some beneficial, some harmful). So you’d have “I saw you take a nonmagical action targeting Bob. I think you were stealing from him.” “No, I was just using my own watching power on him, and saw him do something to Joe.” Duck in a Dungeon Munchkin, Lollipop Guild Munchkin, or Donut Hole Munchkin? ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/253 "2010-07-29T14:00:34Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Duck in a Dungeon Munchkin, Lollipop Guild Munchkin, or Donut Hole Munchkin? If it was one of those three then it is the first (by elimination). I know it is not the last two. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/254 "2010-07-29T14:04:59Z")
Story just needs to place his vote already at this point, especially if he’s planning on voting for someone besides OaOW. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/255 "2010-07-29T14:37:18Z")
what does happen if there is a tie vote? i’m sure the answer is somewhere but i’m too lazy to bother looking for it. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/256 "2010-07-29T15:07:32Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > what does happen if there is a tie vote? i’m sure the answer is somewhere but i’m too lazy to bother looking for it. I’ll PM you and and Red right now. Mahaloth ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/257 "2010-07-29T15:40:40Z")
Interesting… for those of you following at home at T minus half an hour, neither Chipacabra nor Inner Stickler are currently logged on; if story votes for Guiri, it will likely create a tie. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/258 "2010-07-29T15:43:00Z")
Yep, I just broke out the popcorn here. I have no idea what a tie will do and no idea what Storyteller will do. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/259 "2010-07-29T15:49:14Z")
> [@Normal\_Phase](#): > > Yep, I just broke out the popcorn here. I have no idea what a tie will do and no idea what Storyteller will do. all i know is that if they pull a ragnorak Day 4 end of Day shuffle, **red** is in charge of that nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Normal\_Phase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Normal\_Phase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Normal_Phase)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/forbidden-forest-unspoiled-harry-potter-mafia-discussion/544719/260 "2010-07-29T15:50:45Z")
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